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VIS, I understand what you mean about acting differently online than in person. But that's what I mean -- I think people forget that the interactions online are also within a community. Just because we can't look one another in the eye doesn't mean there's not still another person on the receiving end. It's easy to forget that, and to fail to notice when our behavior online becomes a sort of habit that does eventually start to manifest in other settings. And I think people just don't realize that the more aggressive, insulting behavior online does in fact feel just like bullying to the people on the other end. If you've experienced bullying in person, just consider that the way you felt at those times is the way people can also feel when confronted with insults and aggressiveness against them online -- when it manifests even over relatively minor things like this, it makes the confrontational tone seem even stronger, too.
Like I said, I think I seem to agree with most of your views about Superman (and, I suspect, comics in general). And I pretty dramatically disagree with those who think there should be less romance and more action (which I feel usually tends to result in less character development). I also think that while the glasses are a bit too simple of a plot device, they are symbolic of something more, and that it could very easily be rendered on film in a way that makes it more believable (Reeves in the first film used glasses and hairstyle to accentuate such a major shift in personality that I totally bought the idea that it fooled everyone). "Birthright" for example was great in this regard.
And FYI, I don't personally think there's anything wrong with profanity itself, sometimes there's just no better way to express something (or to make a joke, etc). I just hate seeing it and insults (especially stuff like "retard" and "gay" -- what if people started using "jew" or "n***er" that way, would people ignore it and say it's just the internet?) thrown at people so harshly, and over disagreements about films. I think it weakens the quality of boards and whatever point someone is making.
In light of your last couple of posts, I'll also say I apologize to you for the harshness with which I responded to your harshness.
As for the topic at hand: I think the "Superman Unleashed" page is probably out of date. It was likely put up back when the studio was still considering a sequel, and the page was a placeholder for the project and just stayed up (but locked) as a backup. That it comes on the heels of the Wachowski rumor also gives me added disincentive to believe this most recent "news". That said, I'd welcome a sequel (whatever its faults, I liked "Superman Returns"), just as I'd welcome a reboot. I'll welcome whatever they do, so long as it treats the character with the respect he deserves and maintains the current quality of WB's DC films.
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SLIM, there's a difference between 15 year olds who act mature and intelligent, and a 15 who acts immature. 15 is 15, you ARE young, but being young doesn't have to equate to acting childish. Too many teenagers online act immature and obnoxious. Do adults also do it? You bet they do, online and in real life. But if someone acts that way, it's called "immature" for a reason -- maturity vs. immaturity, the latter meaning less life experience and awareness of when they are still behaving like a child.
I don't have the idea of being "young" wrong -- you have the idea of being "young and immature" wrong. The problem with VIS and those who act like him is that they act not just their age but LESS than their age, whereas plenty of other young people are as you said perfectly capable of acting mature. VIS calls people "retards", you think that's mature? You think attacking someone as a "dumb@ss" over a disagreement about adding action to a Superman film is mature? Of course it isn't, it's exactly the sort of obnoxious behavior too common online, and it is typical of a particular type of young poster.
And there'd probably be a lot less of that obnoxious behavior, and a lot more intelligent mature discussion, if that kind of behavior resulted in widespread rejection of the poster by everyone, including their PEERS. Instead, even mature-acting and intelligent-posting young people defend the person who is acting rude and immature -- and how exactly do you think that makes you look? Online trash-talker like VIS are nothing but internet bullies, relying on the anonymity and distance of the internet to give them a false courage. Bullies are best handled by someone calling them out on it and demonstrating that the bullying rude behavior will result in a harsh and quick response -- and such responses don't tend to come from their young peers, but it should.
It does you no good to claim that you can have mature conversations in an intelligent manner regardless of your age, if you're going to ignore rude bullies like VIS while complaining about someone who calls him out. Claiming that you just took offense over the "young" aspect (ignoring that I specifically noted the real problem was him acting immature and rude) just highlights the fact that you DIDN'T take offense at his behavior toward other people, his use of insults like "retard" and "dumb@ss", etc.
As for how I "look" arguing with a 15 year old, I suspect I look like an adult who is fed up with bratty behavior from immature kids dominating message boards while their self-proclaimed mature, intelligent peers mostly ignore the behavior. And I look like I'm going to tell an immature person that they are acting immature. How do you think you look complaining about that and defending the maturity and intelligence of young posters, while you don't put the same effort into stopping the immaturity that explicitly gives young posters a bad name?
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VIS, in response to the complaint about people not noticing Kent is Superman, you say those people might as well dis every superhero -- and then you go on to compare it to (a)Spider-Man, who wears a MASK, and (b) Wolverine, who doesn't HAVE a secret identity. Superman doesn't wear a mask or lack a secret identity -- he uses a pair of glasses. The complaint is valid -- you find it "fun", others find it "contrived". Just because you don't mind a major plot hole doesn't mean you should expect others to share your sentiments, and it definitely doesn't make it acceptable to insult them, kid.
Superman's diminished popularity isn't simply due to a lack of a strong enough film -- the sales of the comic are good when interest in the character is good, and poor when interest in the character is poor. The arc with Superman's death performed better than sales for Superman had been for a while, and it wasn't because of a film that came out alongside the arc -- the story and potential value of the series boosted sales. The fact is that DC has been well-aware that interest in Superman dropped off in part because his power level had grown so much and the stories had gotten so convoluted that the public lost interest over time.
Claiming that people who find Superman lame shouldn't be commenting in this thread, or that those who advocate more action and less focus on romance in the films should "f*ck off" merely demonstrates a level of immaturity typical of much younger kids who can't stand having to face anything they don't like or agree with at all. Being unable to handle any viewpoint but your own (all of 15 years in the making) is the sign of someone who is MOST in need of some serious growing up before they interact with other people much.
The sad part is that I probably agree with 99% of your views on Superman and the films, and I seem to utterly disagree with the views of these folks you're insulting. But it's your behavior that's the problem, the typical childish behavior of young kids strutting around on message boards talking trash and generally just reducing the level of intellectual discussion because they can't control their sophomoric impulses. Exactly the kind of person I don't even WANT on my side in an argument, however much we would probably agree. Insults and intolerance, coupled with an inability to admit it and apologize to the people you offended.
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You didn't even have to state your age at 15, VIS, that's rather apparent from the mentality behind your remarks. "Retard", "dumb@ss", and other typical "I'm brave because I'm on the internet" e-thug behavior is exactly what I expect from smarmy rude brats. So let's take YOUR remarks and look for the flaws.
First, you can start insulting other people's grammar when you learn to use punctuation. Well, no, you can still insult other people for it, you just look ridiculous.
Second of all, you assert as fact that adding more action alone only makes a dumbass action movie that only idiots could follow -- do I need to point how that your remark implies that smart people couldn't follow a simplistic film full of action? Maybe I do need to point it out, if that's your idea of a smart comment.
You're 15, kid. You skip punctuation, rely on childish insults toward someone simply because you disagree with their view of how to improve a Superman film, and you can't structure an argument in a way that doesn't embarrass yourself. Kids like you, who rely on the internet to make themselves feel tougher or smarter and who love getting away with acting obnoxious toward anyone they have a minor disagreement with, are a dime a dozen and really boring.
You can keep it up, you can try to respond with another rude attempt at wit. But you'll find out the hard way that there are people who are sick of kids like you acting out, and who are more than happy to demonstrate that however much wit and ability to be obnoxious you've learned over the last 15 years, it pales in comparison to what we've got for you. Stop being a typical internet brat, or you'll keep being treated like one every time you act out. "Ya dig?"
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