Peter Jackson Responds to Criticism Towards The Hobbit and 48 FPS Projection

Peter Jackson caused a hailstorm of negative feedback this past week when he screened ten minutes of The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey at CinemaCon 2012, where the footage was projected at 48 frames per second. 48 fps is supposed to be the next wave in cinematic technology, but critics and theater owners in attendance couldn't believe what they were seeing. Most said it made the movie look cheap, like a bad Mexican soap opera. Especially the sets, which looked particularly artificial when shot at this speed.

Of course Peter Jackson has heard these comments, and today, he has responded to the backlash this ten minutes of film, which were also shot at 48fps, has received in the press.

First, he told Entertainment Weekly his thoughts on the negative reactions towards the footage.

"Nobody is going to stop. This technology is going to keep evolving. At first it's unusual because you've never seen a movie like this before. It's literally a new experience, but you know, that doesn't last the entire experience of the film-not by any stretch, [just] 10 minutes or so. That's a different experience than if you see a fast-cutting montage at a technical presentation.

I can't say anything. Just like I can't say anything to someone who doesn't like fish. You can't explain why fish tastes great and why they should enjoy it.

There can only ever be a real reaction, a truthful reaction, when people actually have a chance to see a complete narrative on a particular film. A couple of the more negative commenters from CinemaCon said that in the Gollum and Bilbo scene [which took place later in the presentation] they didn't mind it and got used to that. That was the same 48 frames the rest of the reel was. I just wonder if it they were getting into the dialogue, the characters and the story. That's what happens in the movie. You settle into it."


Peter Jackson then took to his Facebook page. Here is what he had to say about the process of shooting and project on 48 fps.

The Hobbit Slate Photo

"Time for an update. Actually, we've been intending to kick off with a video, which is almost done, so look out for that in the next day or two. In the meantime, I thought I'd address the news that has been reported about us shooting The Hobbit at 48 frames per second, and explain to you what my thoughts are about this.

We are indeed shooting at the higher frame rate. The key thing to understand is that this process requires both shooting and projecting at 48 fps, rather than the usual 24 fps (films have been shot at 24 frames per second since the late 1920's). So the result looks like normal speed, but the image has hugely enhanced clarity and smoothness. Looking at 24 frames every second may seem ok--and we've all seen thousands of films like this over the last 90 years--but there is often quite a lot of blur in each frame, during fast movements, and if the camera is moving around quickly, the image can judder or "strobe."

Shooting and projecting at 48 fps does a lot to get rid of these issues. It looks much more lifelike, and it is much easier to watch, especially in 3-D. We've been watching The Hobbit tests and dailies at 48 fps now for several months, and we often sit through two hours worth of footage without getting any eye strain from the 3-D. It looks great, and we've actually become used to it now, to the point that other film experiences look a little primitive. I saw a new movie in the cinema on Sunday and I kept getting distracted by the juddery panning and blurring. We're getting spoilt!

Originally, 24 fps was chosen based on the technical requirements of the early sound era. I suspect it was the minimum speed required to get some audio fidelity out of the first optical sound tracks. They would have settled on the minimum speed because of the cost of the film stock. 35mm film is expensive, and the cost per foot (to buy the negative stock, develop it and print it), has been a fairly significant part of any film budget.

So we have lived with 24 fps for 9 decades--not because it's the best film speed (it's not by any stretch), but because it was the cheapest speed to achieve basic acceptable results back in 1927 or whenever it was adopted.

None of this thinking is new. Douglas Trumbull developed and promoted a 60 frames per second process called ShowScan about 30 years ago and that looked great. Unfortunately it was never adopted past theme park use. I imagine the sheer expense of burning through expensive film stock at the higher speed (you are charged per foot of film, which is about 18 frames), and the projection difficulties in cinemas, made it tough to use for "normal" films, despite looking amazing. Actually, if anybody has been on the Star Tours ride at Disneyland, you've experienced the life like quality of 60 frames per second. Our new King Kong attraction at Universal Studios also uses 60 fps.

Now that the world's cinemas are moving towards digital projection, and many films are being shot with digital cameras, increasing the frame rate becomes much easier. Most of the new digital projectors are capable of projecting at 48 fps, with only the digital servers needing some firmware upgrades. We tested both 48 fps and 60 fps. The difference between those speeds is almost impossible to detect, but the increase in quality over 24 fps is significant.

Film purists will criticize the lack of blur and strobing artifacts, but all of our crew--many of whom are film purists--are now converts. You get used to this new look very quickly and it becomes a much more lifelike and comfortable viewing experience. It's similar to the moment when vinyl records were supplanted by digital CDs. There's no doubt in my mind that we're heading towards movies being shot and projected at higher frame rates.

Warner Bros. have been very supportive, and allowed us to start shooting The Hobbit at 48 fps, despite there never having been a wide release feature film filmed at this higher frame rate. We are hopeful that there will be enough theaters capable of projecting 48 fps by the time The Hobbit comes out where we can seriously explore that possibility with Warner Bros. However, while it's predicted that there may be over 10,000 screens capable of projecting The Hobbit at 48 fps by our release date in Dec, 2012, we don't yet know what the reality will be. It is a situation we will all be monitoring carefully. I see it as a way of future-proofing The Hobbit. Take it from me--if we do release in 48 fps, those are the cinemas you should watch the movie in. It will look terrific!

Time to jump in the car and drive to Bag End for the day. Video coming soon!"


Interesting to note this statement: "It's similar to the moment when vinyl records were supplanted by digital CDs."

Peter Jackson must have not been in a record store in the past year, as vinyl now dominates the shelves with CDs shuffled off to the back room, and vinyl now makes up a majority of in-store record sales. Will people go back to the old soon than later? Or is 48 fps the wave of the future. Most of us will have to wait until December of this year to find out. As noted by Entertainment Weekly, distributors didn't pull their support of The Hobbit, remaining commented to Peter Jackson's vision.

The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey was released December 14th, 2012 and stars Ian McKellen, Martin Freeman, Richard Armitage, Ken Stott, Graham McTavish, William Kircher, James Nesbitt, Stephen Hunter. The film is directed by Peter Jackson.



Sources: EW, Peter Jackson

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Comments (43)

  1. Red Camera Man

    Those f*cking bastards just love to complain.

    1 year agoby @redcameramanFlag

  2. h0tproperty

    in 2 years it will be the standard and people wont even know why they hated it in the first place. It happened with blu-ray and LED tv's. Even though a lot of people still hate LED TVs. but thats subject to change.

    1 year agoby @h0tpropertyFlag

  3. CBF

    Interesting debate. I'm more interested in this higher video frame rate than I am the current infatuation with 3-D, or even IMAX filming, which I'm highly interested in. I support Peter Jackson's approach, and I hope the film turns out great. If it looks bad by the film's release, well then we will all know he was wrong.

    Also, to address MovieWeb's comments on his statement regarding vinyl records, the only reason vinyl has taken back over is because of the DJ's and party planners. Nobody is buying CD's really anymore thanks to the RIAA charging ridiculous prices in a recession when downloads are at the fingertips of many or a burnt backup copy from a friend's CD. That does not mean the industry has changed in the sense that vinyl is better than CD's and we as a people are reverting back to old technology, no. So in the sake of relating the two technologies as an analogy that reverting back to an older format is better is a moot point. That was kind of taken out of context and cannot be related when referencing fps in movies, since there's a particular specific reason that that had happened in the music industry. Just my thoughts.

    1 year agoby @comicbookfanFlag

  4. SherlockHolmes2009

    @ghostman Gets no better than that

    1 year agoby @SherlockHolmes2009Flag

  5. Nburgmei

    @thedude-abides Of all those directors I would expect Quentin to be the least likely to go against his word. He is obviously in love with old-school film-making. He's nostalgic.

    I don't have a clue how this whole debate is going to play out. I don't even own an HD-TV and don't know that I've ever watched an HD-movie...certainly never blu-ray. However, I also don't know that I'm going to take Spielberg or Tarantino's words over Jackson's and Cameron's...or vice versa. The latter two are pushing boundaries. They're trying something new. I think at minimum that's something to be respected. It just so happens that Jackson is doing it with something we're all looking forward to.

    The worst that can happen is we get a few failed experiments, we're disappointed, and 24fps lives on or maybe it turns out that the finished products are huge successes and 24fps becomes a thing of the past.

    1 year agoby @nburgmeiFlag

  6. thedude-abides

    @thedude1 I mean, yeah I guess that's true. Scorsese for some reason has always been more willing to experiment with "the medium" as he calls it. I'd be surprised if any of those names I mentioned ever did stray from their 24fps convictions (Quentin himself having swore he would retire if he weren't able to shoot on film at that frame rate), but I guess you never know.

    1 year agoby @thedude-abidesFlag

  7. TheDude1

    @thedude-abides But didn't Martin Scorsese also say at one time he would never do a 3D movie? Then he made a 3D movie. Not saying those other directors will change their mind like he did but anything could happen in the future.

    1 year agoby @thedude1Flag

  8. thedude-abides

    @dan1 Lol. He certainly is that :)

    1 year agoby @thedude-abidesFlag

  9. Dan

    Interesting debate. I guess my biggest fear here is this 48 fps venture being tested on The Hobbit of all things. Something I want and expect to be surefire.

    @thedude-abides Pretty much anything Tarantino says, I'm on board with. He may be his own biggest fan, but I love the guy.

    1 year agoby @dan1Flag

  10. thedude-abides

    Well said, @k-man. You're 100% right. That's why the truly great directors detest anything other than 24fps and have vowed never to switch to anything higher. I'll take what Steven Spielberg, David Lynch, Quentin Tarantino, P.T. Anderson, and David Fincher have to say over what anyone else thinks. People may question our opinions on the subject, but only a charlatan would question what those men think, and I'll I'm doing is repeating what they've all been on record as saying. I'm in complete agreement with you on this.

    1 year agoby @thedude-abidesFlag

  11. SoksoV

    I hate higher framerate movies (or with the feature on nowadays HDTVs) simply for the fact that I feel like I'm watching a movie made with my dad's old handycam (not talking about picture quality)... This is why I think it looks cheap and like everybody says, a soap opera.

    Most user camcorders now gives the 24P option so why turn back? All because of this sh*t in cinema call 3D!!

    1 year agoby @SoksoVFlag

  12. Etorken

    Those who say 48 fps or higher is garbage, it is not! You simply are not used to it. You have adapted to 24 fps. Honestly, 24 fps in 2012 is far too low, improvements are needed. Quality matters. The higher it is the higher the quality, blur-fest is not quality.
    Human eye has no fps, light goes into our eyes constantly, unless you close them or it is dark... or for some reason you have no eyes...
    If our eyes are capable for so much more than just 24 fps why not go further?

    1 year agoby @etorkenFlag

  13. Jay.A.Ottley

    And also well if you think this is something Avatar 2 and 3 are being filmed at 60fps

    1 year agoby @jayaottleyFlag

  14. Jay.A.Ottley

    I've seen the trailer at 48fps, I'll be seeing the footage soon, end of in may in an Expo. And that trailer looked spectacular to me, so I can't wait to see the preview.

    3D & 48FPS is going to be the future of 3D cinema and without a doubt will change our perspectives on the power of film as its performed at its full capability.

    You just have to suck it up and get use to it and indulge in the glory of the future of film, but first well the retina just has to grasp the ideal of watching something at double the frame rate, with an enhanced visual quality

    1 year agoby @jayaottleyFlag

  15. CristiMarin10

    @everybody Some guys just can't handle the FUTURE.

    1 year agoby @CristiMarin10Flag

  16. ROFLitschristian

    @ghostman That's what I've read. And some people actually find that effective. They're talking about how it puts you in the real conversation between characters. And it just so happens that you can tell people are faking their appearance. :}

    But yeah, I saw nothing wrong in the trailer. My only gripe was that the trailer wasn't very good.

    1 year agoby @ROFLitschristianFlag

  17. Yannick Decorte

    I can understand those who say it looks like crap, but I'm personally more excited for the film now that I learned this. Peter Jackson is treating this film like art and he's taking it in his own direction and shoots it the way he likes it. I respect that, even if I'm not sure I'll like his choice, but I like that he followed his creative guts.

    1 year agoby @yannick-decorteFlag

  18. TheDude1

    @k-man No I love it at 120 Hz. It looks incredibly great for sports events and even during movies. At first movies at 120 Hz looked bad to me but after awhile of watching my eyes got use to it and it looks normal.

    But I see your point. The movies weren't filmed to be watched at that refresh rate which can make the movies looks weird.

    1 year agoby @thedude1Flag

  19. K-Man

    I've said it since day ONE.....48fps is garbage. Trust me, I know, I deal with cameras on a daily bases and I've over-cranked the cameras on numerous occasions to higher frame rates. This is going to make it feel worse than a soap opera, reality tv show or even a SyFy channel film. The added frames makes movement feel too realistic....it takes away almost all motion blur, so it begins to look more like a high quality version of the behind the scenes as opposed to an actual film. More than anything, it takes away from the *cinematic* feel and experience and the surreal feeling that movies have!
    This is the single worst decision Peter Jackson has EVER made as a director, hands down. Well, that and opening up the shutter to a 270 degree angle, is a close second. Opening the shutter allows more light through the camera's gate on each individual frame.....which means the image looks more flat and the picture less "stobe-like".
    What most people dont realize is that the "stobe" effect is actually a positive thing because it makes it feel different from reality....as does the 24fps.

    The reason why people first started shooting in 24fps over 80 years ago is because it was cost prohibitive to shoot at anything higher....therefore, this was "as close" to real movement as they could get, without spending too much money on film! Well, as fate would have it, they accidentally created a way to make a movie feel surreal....BECAUSE the movement was slightly different than that of how the human eye sees things in reality. This is what gives a film it's cinematic feel....that slightly dream-like quality!! Therefore, by upping the frame-rate to 48fps (or even 55 or 60, like James Cameron wants to do) then you are creating an image that looks too "realistic"....it becomes too much like reality and suddenly you can distinguish that everything you are looking at is FAKE!!!

    I'm not too worried about this awful trend, though. Most people are going to watch the film and be disgusted with the images, just like they were at CinemaCon! Directors are going to realize that this makes potentially great films suffer for reasons that can be avoided! With any luck, this "fad" will be dropped before it ever catches on in the first place!

    Basically, what it comes down to is: If it isn't broke.....Dont fix it. 24fps is NOT broken, so there is absolutely no reason to change....not even for 3D!!

    1 year agoby @k-manFlag

  20. K-Man

    @thedude1 - You know you can turn that off, right? 120hz is TERRIBLE!!!! You need to go into your picture settings and bump it down to 60hz or it will say "Turn off 120hz".

    That will get your tv back to normal.

    @stefanos - Actually that isn't the "normal way" to view a movie at all. The films you are watching were filmed in 24fps and the refresh ration is 60hz. By having a tv turned up to 120hz or 200hz, it is artificially adjusting the picture and attempting to take away motion blur that is MEANT to be there. 120hz and 200hz is CRAP for anything other than sports WHICH ARE BROADCASTED AT 120hz. You may have gotten used to it.....but its not supposed to be that way. It looks like hell and is cheap looking.
    Just so you know, you too can turn off your 200hz setting by going into the picture options. I recommend you do.

    1 year agoby @k-manFlag

  21. Ghostman

    @SherlockHolmes2009 It's going to be like watching a HD 1080i TV and how life-like it'll be. This'll be great.

    1 year agoby @ghostmanFlag

  22. SherlockHolmes2009

    @ghostman Hey if thats the case then im up for it despite what was said

    1 year agoby @SherlockHolmes2009Flag

  23. Pbcritical

    Seriously. If I was there I would be like holy crap I am watching the first ten minutes of the Hobbit months before it releases. People just love to criticize instead of being thankful that the classic Hobbit is being brought to the big screen after so much time. I don't know if this 48 fps is a real issue or not but either way I am still excited to see the film.

    1 year agoby @pbcriticalFlag

  24. Bawnian©-Dexeus

    We discussed this in class last week. In my opinion, I still prefer 24 fps, which makes a movie look like a damn movie and not a live event. I don't mind if they make the aesthetics looks as real as possible, but movies should be kept inside the frame and not outside (3-D) or beyond that. But, to sum up, I'm neutral.

    1 year agoby @bawnian-dexeusFlag

  25. ChiRep_1

    This is an issue blown way out of proportion that won't mean anything in the grand scheme of things (When the film's released) We all had problems with Bane's voice, why? Because it was different and unexpected. I personally love the fact that Peter's shooting the 48 f.p.s, why not see things from a new perspective..

    1 year agoby @ChiRep-1Flag

  26. RC Hinrichs

    Where does this guy shop? LP dominate the sales floor?? Do you buy 8mm movies instead of Blu Ray? Too many critics forgot what movies are really about long ago.

    1 year agoby @RC-HinrichsFlag

  27. Red Camera Man

    Keep going with the movie, PJ. Don't let the hate get to you. I'd love to see how the movie will be at 48 fps and in 3D.

    1 year agoby @redcameramanFlag

  28. Brizzy

    @ROFLitschristian Agreed. Some people just like complaining..

    1 year agoby @BrizzyFlag

  29. renodc

    Some people just like to complain. I've heard some positive comments coming from the preview as well.

    1 year agoby @renodcFlag

  30. alexpj19

    i wouldnt worry about it too much, for 3D it would be cool and very life like to see it in 48fps but for 2D version it can be easily converted to 24fps.

    1 year agoby @alexpj19Flag

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