In the continuing viral campaign for
The Dark Knight, viral website
Gotham City Pizzeria opened for business today. Upon accessing the site you'll notice the letters "HA" wiggle if you roll-over the right spot. That said, roll-over enough times and you'll reveal a big red "HAHAHA" in the site's logo. Click to reveal a new clip from the film featuring Two-Face! Watch below or
for the high-res video clip.
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That might foreshadow future installments, implying "this city" as in Gotham will have strange, outlandish criminals (not including the Joker, such as Two-Face, The Riddler, The Penguin, etc.) I always wondered in comic books (though, I personally have never really read one) why villains only go to cities where there are heroes. You wouldn't catch the Joker in some small town in Montana or Kansas, would you? Why always go some place, where there is always somebody wearing a mask or cape waiting to kick your ass. Make the Hero come to you (isn't that their job?)
Anyway, like Sly or Visionary, or somebody said: 'Where are you going to go with this?'
I'm sure Christopher Nolan knows, and like I said before he'll put "a smile on that face!" He-ha-ha!
Looks good though...Sly the novels (Manuscripts) are getting better, send me a signed copy when you are finished.
"HALF!" Truly Badass...
I do agree with "THEJOKER's" opinion to bring back in the Riddler and play him like he was in the series and the comics, rather than UN-believable like he was in "Forever." It'd be another significant face-lift for a former villain. Then again, the same can be said for Penguin, who would also be interesting to see as the crimelord he is, rather than a freak of nature out for illogical revenge. But as I said before, I did love Burton's vision of Penguin, but would also like to see the REAL guy in this 'darker' franchise that former and original Batman actor Adam West said he wasn't crazy about on Thursday. Because Penguin wouldn't be that 'vengeful freak' so to speak (not that I have anything against genetic deformalities; i've got lots, but just aren't that visible). Instead, he'd be the genius crime-lord with all the connections and techy like weapons, such as his famous umbrella which was used as a machine gun and private helicopter in "Returns." But such things would be interesting to see conveyed in this dark series, especially with all the connections Penguin had with other villains in the comics and live action series. That in itself could introduce an array of possible subplots and/or main storylines, and therefore avoid Robin altogether, but may possibly introduce him in the end of the movie to kinda usher in the age we're more familiar with, and that'd be a decent closure to this series, but not necessarily one I'd want to see as the focal point of the 3rd film.
As for Riddler, he was more of a criminal who liked to toy around with his enemies (ie: Batman and the citizens). Except he'd use the riddles and persona to just toy with them and undermine his own seriousness as a REAL threat to make his line of work go easier for him, and have less crap to deal with along the way cuz people were too creeped out by his persona and riddles to mess with him that often. And therefore he wasn't out to possess the thoughts and desires of everyone the world over like was depicted in "Forever" (which also didn't explain how he came to build that monstosity of a HQ for his mind control device I might add).
And again with Two-Face, not chronologically following his origins in "Forever," (let alone chronicling them at all), really hurt the film even more. I'd make the leap to say that Two-Face was always a more popular villain, so do him justice! Why only have him in one or 2 scenes early on in the prequel films if they're not even gonna endorse the guy as a legitimate villain rather than a 'SURPRISE!!!!' villain like Venom in SM3, which didn't work out all that well, and just seemed like a threequel additive to make the movie seem bigger. But to do that to a popular main stream villain that's been around since the beginning??? I mean I know people don't always like origin stories, but COME ON!!! This character deserves it, as well as needs it. And yes, I know the original plan for the original franchise was to carry on Billy Dee Williams as Two-Face in Burton's Batman 3 (which never happened; job went to Schumaker who wanted TLJ instead), and since that's true, then they should've kept the character in the development stages during those films, rather than have him disappear until the 3rd act. That really killed it for me. Cuz it wasn't till the last second that Burton stepped out of the director's/writer's chair for "Forever," so he should've written Dent into "Returns," but didn't. So this all is just reinforcement as to why it was a good idea that they should go ahead with this guy (and possibly Riddler/Penguin) as the villain, rather than stick to Goyer's policy of NOT reintroducing villains that had already been used (and that policy applied since had Nolan not agreed to return, then you can bet with the box office revenue of "Begins" that there was gonna be a sequel, but it wouldn't be as good/dark without Nolan and Goyer on the same team; no offense to other possible directors)
Now I've gone off on a tangent again, I've got work at 5:00pm, and it's already 21 minutes into the several hour Sears Point NASCAR race that I haven't time to finish, so I'll continue this discussion later. And once again, thanks for all the compliments!
P.S.
I've actually written 22 pages of a story I'm working on--seriously.
Just kidding, you made many (and I do mean many) good points.
just kidding
'When the chips are down, these civilized people will eat each other. You'll see. I'll show you.'
ANyway, Robin can be done correctly, but I really don't want to see him in this or the next movie.
As for Joker, he had a totally different look and personality in the first 2 comics the character premiered in, hence why Nolan returned to do a sequel in the first place, cuz he wanted to translate the old Joker on film that the comics forgot about back in 1940. If that hadn't happened, then there'd be no "Dark Knight" at all.
Two-Face was introduced cuz being a district attorney, there was no logical reason for him to become a criminal just cuz his face was scarred. Hence why he is to be portrayed as a district attorney who had incredible patience, but was also extremely frustrated with what he was doing, cuz before Batman's arrival, the criminals always circulated through the cycle of the justice system, (via Arkham's Crane & crimelord Falcone) and he always returned to bust the same ones over and over without really benefiting personally, nor would the city benefit cuz this cycle was allowed to continue. So after Falcone & Crane were done away with in "Begins," Harvey had the chance to take a breather, but when Joker made his appearance, and started giving power back to the mob by holding their cash ransom, the cycle started up again, but in a different fashion, which would frustrate Harvey even more, so that when he finally got scarred for probably just assisting Batman in cleaning up crime, he just finally snapped, realizing that he would never benefit at all, and after all his hard work and time devoted to his cause, he got scarred, and bested by Maroni & Joker, and therefore resolved to embark on a revenge trip against these guys to get more DIRECT RESULTS rather than recycling the bad guys through the justice system again and again. Hence the character of Two-Face that Nolan talked of for "Knight." He wasn't a crazed criminal, but a guy who was extremely fed-up with his life's work having been all for naught, and just got profiled as being criminalistic in his illegal actions against the bad guys, so instead of sympathy or any possibility of being acquitted, he got even more ticked off, since Batman fights crime illegally too, but isn't apprehended by the law, nor are many attempts made at doing it anymore, but when he does it, he gets screwed cuz his identity is known, so one thing leads to another, and he eventually figures "fuck it" and becomes a full blown criminal. So basically, Two-Face was in need of a face lift in this new franchise as well.
But given the short time frame in which the films take place, then the character may never get to the 'full blown criminal' part. Cuz as I've said before, as being the origin stories, there isn't a given need to kill off the bad guys in the same film they're introduced in, or to develop the charatcer fully, let alone having them killed off in any installment at all. Hence how Crane only became Scarecrow at the end of "Begins" which allows that character's origin to be told, and filters him into the rest of the comics. Plus, being the second act of a presumed trilogy (and even if it isn't), then Joker probably wouldn't be killed off, especially if the film is to encompass a darker theme that makes it feel like a full blown crime drama that just happens to feature comic book characters.
This therefore also leads into the Penguin, since while Tim Burton's version was amazing, and beautifully pulled off by Danny DeVito, the character still was way far off from his comic book origins, in which he was nothing more than a crimelord that had techy weapons, and lots of connections. So he would be the most realistic villain that could be introduced in the series, but I doubt he will, otherwise, there'd be more talk about it. Since rumors had Phillip Seymour Hoffman (Capote) playing the role for Batman 3, but given that there is no known deal for Batman 3, then this could be nothing more than a rumor.
And as for Robin, Nolan said in a documentary for "Begins" that Robin is "asleep in a crib somewhere" at the time that this franchise takes place. Goyer agrees whole heartedly. Plus, Nolan & Goyer were way more passionate about Batman than the side characters to waste time on them. Not that he hates them, but he just likes working with these characters more. Plus, if you team Batman with Robin, then you rob Batman of his independence as a superhero since he'd always have Robin at his side. Cuz if he was in it, then Robin would "Rob" Batman of his glory.
S. BlizZzard
It is painfully obvious that Sam Raimi did not want to do Venom in Spider-Man 3. Due to fans and the producers bitching that Venom needed to be in the film, however, we got a terrible interpretation of the character because a director did not want to put him in the film in the first place. Until Christopher Nolan says he wants Robin in the film then everybody just needs to drop it.
Lastly, and this is just my personal opinion, Robin is a character that works better in comics and not so well on film (unless it's the animated series, of course).
and Andrew, I know that Aaron Eckhart confirmed Two-Face on MTV and certain interviews have confirmed it as well. All I'm saying is that there are people who wouldn't believe it until they see real footage (yes, these people won't even believe in the freeze-frame of the trailer). Everyday The Dark Knight would be brought up in conversation when I was at Henderson, I would have at least ten people ask me if Two-Face was in the film. I'm finally glad to post this video on my movie page on MySpace so that they can finally see this clip and stop asking me whether or not he is in it.
thats an interviwe with nolan where at the end like i posted he says he hadnt ruled it out but that they wanted to see how ppl liked this one