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BTW I wrote it a long time ago LOL.

I wrote a treatment myself that included Mysterio as the main antagonist and The Lizard as a personal battle for Peter. It also had MJ away modeling, and introduced Felicia Hardy. The whole thing set up for the next installment with Carnage and The Black Cat. My whole story arc went like this:

4: The Lizard, Mysterio, Felicia Hardy
5: Carnage, Chameleon, The Black Cat
6: Morlun, The Vulture (??)

The idea was to have 4 and 5 tie into each other as a two-story plot, while 6 was a stand alone. The end of 4 had the first appearance of Black Cat, hiding in the shadows and watching Spidey swing away as sort of a cliffhanger/precursor.

Yes I know, Morlun is a new character and most people will not really agree with Vulture. But I thought a good idea for 6 would be to have Parker as a teacher at his old high school years later and follow the Morlun story line, where Spidey dies. He comes back of course, after being in a cocoon under the bridge but when he comes back he has new spider-powers.

Well that story is how i see it going down as a writer myself and also as a spidey fan.
In my eyes that is how i see SM 4 playing out according to Vanderbilt's treatment, i just hope me and Vanderbilt are on the same page

Wow, that sounds awesome. It also makes sense as to why Sam didn't like it entirely. It also supports the fact that Sony want to use Venom and Carnage for 5 and/or 6 or whatever. Also, Sam just wants to do one or two villains, not three again or even four

Well the review never stated who the villain was, but rumour began flying that the villain was the symbiote itself.
Which does make logical sense, in terms of writing and of course 2-part.

I read that Vanderbilt's 2 part story draft for spiderman 4 & 5 involved Lizard, Kraven, Carnage & Venom. In which if the villain is the symbiote it all makes real logic sense, in terms of the universe of Spidey and writing a story that spans 2 films.

Lizard story goes as we all know and well, in one transformation the symbiote is freed, that opens the door for venom and carnage but they are left as a cliffhanger for this movie.

Once spidey finds out who lizard is, he cant bring himself to destroy him and tries to help him control his dark evil amphibian inner beast, so Kraven comes to do what Spidey can't (Thus following 'The Hunt' story arc).
A final battle commences but the symbiote is still attracted and determined to attach itself to its original host Peter Parker aka Spiderman, in the finale, the symbiote splits in 2 and one part gets the blood of Spidey man in it, which turns it red.
So we now have 2 symbiotes, the black one leaps on to Peter, bringing out the darker Spidey. As dark spidey battles his inner self and Kraven and Lizard duke it out, one of them ends up dying preferably Kraven, Symbiote is thrown off Spidey and cowers to the sewers, news report that Cletus Cassidy has just escaped, during the report of Dr Connors stating that he has found a cure and he is back to normal.

That is technically Spiderman 5 set up beautifully.

I like the idea of doing a back-to-back two-film story LOL. Anyways, about the second villain, I'm not sure who it was in Vanderbilt's treatment since that was never announced/released (except for one week on some review site as according to JA Ottley), however, as I have not read the David Lindsay-Abaire draft yet (I have it), I will get back to you on that as far as his story/the first re-draft goes. Maybe that can be a clue? I am hoping that Raimi at least kept The Lizard/ Dr. Curt Connors scenes the same from the Vanderbilt outline. Then there will be at least SOME Vanderbilt influence in the final product.

Ok, so I guess Vanderbilt didn't pitch Venom and Carnage for 4 and 5. Sam just didn't like the idea of doing two movies back to back I guess. But Sony and Marvel loved the two part story idea/back to back idea.

Who was the other villain with the Lizard? Not Roderick Kingsley, I mean the other super villain.

Well if that's the case I wonder if he really is still going to write in Venom and Carnage. God I hope not. They should just keep them for the Venom spin-off.

Thanks Ott.

I guess I'm just getting a little confused between everything that I have heard/read online, to other users like you and Rocco who are giving me more info. I thirst for Spidey movie knowledge, but I'm obviously taking things out of context here. Guess I was just going along with what was being told to me, like an ignorant gullible person LOL. Yes and thanks for referring me to the other links but these are all I have been checking these last few days LMAO. I read the account of what you say happened. Yes and as far as I know the Vanderbilt treatment contained The Lizard as well, but it was also written as a movie in two parts, split between "4" and "5" - something that Raimi did not go for, so obviously when Raimi hired the other two writers I'm sure Vanderbilt's story has long disappeared, except for maybe little parts like keeping Lizard in there and maybe some other scenes, but overall, Vanderbilt's story of "4" I believe is gone. Thanks, Raimi. I hope they don't do that to him again, with him writing "5" and "6". I sure wouldn't want Raimi to come back to the franchise and wipe his stories away again for all the films.

Exactly J.A. Ottley, originally it might have been. You're not going to find it anywhere unless you go ask Infamous_Emijayne and Ice Man at CountingDown.com. What they're hearing probably won't be confirmed/announced till maybe like a year or two. Where is the detailed explanation for the story for Spider-Man 4?

CBF the news posted about Venom and Carnage was originally for the Venom movie.
I have no clue about it being used for Spiderman 5 & 6, as Rocco is claiming, i can't find it any where, from my knowledge Vanderbilt's pitched involved Lizard

Also CBF read my current post in the new spidey thread, about what happened to Vanderbilt's Spiderman 4 treatment.
Sony removed it, but see the other thread for a more detailed explanation on the story

It's cool man, it's cool. :)

oh. Right, sorry LOL.

Yeah dude, I know all this lol :)

Rocco I heard that it was Avi Arad who forced Venom upon everybody, meaning Sony/Columbia and Sam Raimi. Arad, representing MARVEL, for one of the last times, pushed Venom upon Raimi due to the character's popularity and history in the modern comics. Raimi is more an oldschool Spidey fan, he doesn't know/care too much about the "modern" villains, this is why he has recently said he doesn't know much about Carnage. He read ASM in the Ditko era, WAY back in the day. Like the first Spidey books. So of course he wants to do all the classic first villains, which he pretty much has, and is why he keeps saying, Vulture and Electro and Sinister Six, but I can pretty much sense that Sony does not want to go that route. So this is why Sony said yes to Avi's proposal of Venom, because of course Raimi said no to Avi but once Sony said yes, Raimi was under contract and had to do it. So Arad went to Raimi first but when he said, no, we're doing it this way, Arad went and tattled to Sony, Raimi's bosses and then they made him do it. Raimi says he became a fan of the character after that, but he didn't, and us true fans still know that he hates modernized Spidey, including his villains.

BTW Ottley, James Vanderbilt is the only one attached to "Spider-Man 5" and "6".

They want Venom and Carnage, supposedly, for Spider-Man 5 and Spider-Man 6

Two people that are credible and people that I trust from CountingDown.com told me that Sony wants Venom and Carnage. They're user names are Infamous_Emijayne and Ice Man. I hope it's not true but if they're hearing this then it probably is unfortunately. The thing is though is that it doesn't surprise me because we know Sony pressured/forced Sam to put in Venom in Spider-Man 3.

JA Ottley wrote:
"Nah i don't have Vanderbilt's draft but the story was posted on a site that it involved 3 villains in his story which the other one wasn't named."

Ottley can you plz post that link, once you do you can post it on my page or right back here, I keep checking this thread. I am 100% interested to go to that link, since you say Vanderbilt's actual draft was posted there (not just him talking about writing it), but I can't find it after 10 Google searches.

JA Ottley also wrote:
"its already duly noted that Ross ... is currently penned to write Spiderman 5 & 6 via a story by Vanderbilt."

Really? I have never heard that. Was it just announced?

Rocco2216 wrote:
"So you don't consider Silver Sable or Black Cat side villains?"

Nope. OK maybe Silver Sablinova, but to me, Black Cat is A-list. Oh and Rocco, did Sony really say that they want to use Venom and Carnage? I can't find that piece of news anywhere...

Right I saw it. But if Sony really do want to do Venom and Carnage for 5 and 6 or whatever, Sam Raimi won't be back as director but producer.

Sam Raimi stated he is not sure weather he is returning, it depends if the character still interests him.

Check worstpreviews.com

Its was on the site, posted this morning

Well I think Sony knows Sam Raimi isn't coming back, especially since they really want to use Venom and Carnage. :(

Vanderbilt story = AICN & Latino Review.

According to Sony, if Sam Raimi, doesn't return for Spiderman 5 & 6, which he isn't contracted too, then Sam stated he would like Gary Ross to be his successor.
In which Ross acceptted

Yes Gary Ross will write and direct Venom, supposedly. I didn't know he was going to write AND direct Spider-man 5 and 6. I thought he would just direct.

What website was Vanderbilt's story posted?

ok thanks for the recorecction there, lol.
Nah i don't have Vanderbilt's draft but the story was posted on a site that it involved 3 villains in his story which the other one wasn't named.
So maybe David took the 2 villains being Lizard (of course) and Roderick...And Ross took the other unknown character along with Lizard, and they plan to mish mash them together taking the best aspects from the 2 screenplays maybe, i'm not familiar with Raimi's style of the pre-production stage.

But what if the villains are just Roderick and Lizard with a side story as well as the symbiote, because its already duly noted that Ross will write Venom, and is currently penned to write Spiderman 5 & 6 via a story by Vanderbilt.

Also i would use Mysterio in a heart beat...
And Electro would work i definately agree,
Shocker could be a good side villain.

I reckon a lot of the corny B-movie characters would need some re-modernising to fit into Raimi's world.
Like the Vulture being i don't know a terrorist bomber, that can maybe do Parkour, but then he'd have to be young to do parkour/free-running, which is a major drift from the source material of the character...
Meh Ben Kingsley for Vulture o_0....Tobin Bell plz :D

Also....NO MORBIUS < I repeat the with emphasis...Midnight Sons movie, plz :D

So you don't consider Silver Sable or Black Cat side villains?

And how is Silver Sable, the Hobgoblin, and Black Cat better than Morbius, the Vulture, and Kraven?!

There are no strict rules in these movies, there shouldn't be, it's a superhero movie, especially after Sandman and Venom. Anything goes now. Sandman is b list yet he was the main villain in Spider-Man 3. It's all in the writing and execution. Venom is A list but they treated him differently in Spider-Man 3.