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  • 2 years ago
  • ***WARNING***SPOILERS ABOUND****

    Given "Rises" was such a bleak film with such a happy ending, then these 4 simple changes I feel would've made the ending immensely greater.

    1) Lucius Fox should have died--He's been Batman's Quartermaster and has been helming Wayne Enterprises from the beginning. Had it been made obvious that he knew he was running into a potentially lethal situation in the reactor, then that would've made his actions more heroic. His death there would be poignant as his selflessness would shine through more than ever before, and nobody would know what he was trying to do to save Gotham when he died.

    2) Don't show Bruce and Selina in the cafe. Rather, show Selina's airline ticket to say Florence earlier in the film, so then all we'd need is Alfred's expression and that music cue to leave us with. The fans can connect the dots. It'd make for a very Inception-y ending. And it provides enough doubt for those who wanted Batman to die to be happy.

    3) James Gordon should have died. He's been Gotham's true champion from the beginning. He took the heat from Commissioner Loeb, Salvatore Maroni, Foley, Joker, Bane, Scarecrow, Robin, Harvey Dent, and the citizens themselves. His family even abandoned him and he still chose to stay in Gotham. In the climax he's only trying to kill the detonator to buy the city an extra ten minutes. That was a very dangerous daredevil stunt for such a small reward. There was no guarantee they would've gotten the bomb to the reactor in time to diffuse it. His selflessness throughout the trilogy has been evident, and his heroic death in the back of the truck from that fall would be poignant as it wouldn't be in a blaze of glory, and nobody would know what he did to contribute to saving the city. It would be the greatest sacrifice and tragedy of the whole series.

    Then replace him at the funeral with the priest from the orphanage who Robin already had a standing relationship with. It would make his decision to quit the force greater as his mentor has died without anyone knowing of his dedication and heroism. Or more to the point, that NOT going by the book is what saved the city. Then replace him at the statue ceremony and repaired bat signal with that chubby older cop from the chase who was an enthusiastic believer in Batman, and stood by Gordon in the occupation. Being the last name cop alive, he'd make for a good new lieutenant.

    4) Bane should have lived. He and Batman vastly underestimate each other in the beginning, and by the end, they have a newfound respect and understanding for each other. And they both were relying on dramatic example to shake people out of their apathy. The League of Shadows after all doesn't always rely on annihilation to accomplish their goals, as they use theatricality, deception, and even economics as weapons. Ergo, Bane would recognize that he need not destroy the city to accomplish his goals. He may want to, but he wouldn't need to. Talia on the other hand isn't nearly as disciplined as Bane and would go for such an idea. Thus, when Batman's begging Talia not to detonate the bomb, it's not a stretch for him to make the point that she'd accomplished her goal and shaken everyone out their apathy. Bane would recognize this too, but his love of Talia would still prompt him to want to execute Batman.

    Ergo, given that his death was such a cheat in the film, it's feasible for us to say he was hit by the Batpod's tire and two missed cannon shots. Or even a malfunctioning shotgun. It would still knock him out cold. Without his mask, coat, armor, gauntlets, and doubling over in pain from getting used to not having his mask would leave nobody recognizing him. He could dress in shabby clothes and be hanging around Gotham during the months the montage takes place in. He'd see it had changed, that his plan essentially worked. This would be true to the "Knightfall" trilogy story arc, where after all the stuff that happens, Bane and Batman come to a mutual understanding and part ways. So he could be giving Gordon's narration about seeing a great city rise from the ashes. Then have the penultimate shot be Bane standing on a knoll across the river with shabby clothes and IVs in his wrists with tubes running up into a shoulder bag. Then have him strap on a rubber oxygen mask after giving Gotham one last hard look which says he's satisfied with what he's done there, and would be going elsewhere to continue his crusade, like in "Knightfall." He was after all never killed in the comics. It would be a poignant end for such a disciplined and easily the most sympathetic villain to go on continuing his just crusade to end corruption, albeit employing nefarious methods. ;)

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  • 2 years ago
  • You think Pike and Sykes haven't been watchin' us. They know what this is all about - and what do I have? Nothin' but you egg-suckin', chicken stealing gutter trash with not even sixty rounds between you. We're after men - and I wish to God I was with 'em
  • 2 years ago
  • Wouldn't have been bad ideas, but I was completely happy with the way the film turned out.
  • 2 years ago
  • Totally agree with number 3. As for the others, I loved how it turned out. Except Bane shouldn't have died with a blast randomly. Totally anticlimactic.
  • 2 years ago
    • Dan
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    Kill the good guys, let the bad guy live? You would suggest that, @slysnide :P
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  • 2 years ago
  • @moviegeek "Totally anticlimactic" And I read that in Joker's voice.

    @slysnide My expectations for Rises was for Bane to break Batman plust break him psychologically by killing every major character. While I enjoyed the finale, it would have made things far dark and more interesting.
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  • 2 years ago
  • Talking about eye opener 4 key points! The Gordon storyline is a good point. Or the Bane storyline is also very good I like these 2 storylines the best. Your points are truly very enlightening and thinking outside the box.
  • 2 years ago
  • Spot on with most of what I expected or wanted to see, sans the last idea, @slysnide. However, if possible, I love the final idea the most out of all of them, simply because I hadn't thought of it. If you'd have helmed these scenes, I'd have bumped this film up another star.
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  • 2 years ago
  • Anyone else how Gordon seemed to be vilified through the eyes Gordon-Levitt's character? I felt like the audience around me started agreeing with the guy, which I felt was ridiculous. Gordon sacrificed more than anyone in the film, save Batman.
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  • 2 years ago
  • @slysnide Damn slysnide, you just wanted everyone to die in Dark Knight Rises haha. I felt the ending was appropriate, I liked the idea that Batman is more than just a man, like Ras Al Ghul said, hes a symbol for hope and at the very end he became a legend for Gotham, again like Ras said. I felt that Nolan definetly knew what he was doing, he brought TDKR around full circle back to the elements we saw in Batman Begins, while at the same time gave TDKR its only elements as well and completed an epic trilogy
  • 2 years ago
  • @slysnide You didn't tag me Cat!!! But I disagree with the not seeing Bruce and Selina in the cafe... if you had that open of an ending, then it would have left people wondering if Nolan was in fact going to make another one. He made sure we knew he escaped, he was retired and this was the last one. I do wish that he would have been wiser in saying JGL was Terry and not John... Batman Beyond seems more fitting of a sequence there than a lonely Robin...
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  • 2 years ago
  • Oh of course I would suggest it @dan1 ;) "yep, I'm finished here, so I'm just gonna leave and do this again elsewhere. Hmm? Where to start? Syria perhaps?"

    Thanks @narrator, I also agreed with Levitt vilifying Gordon. Totally ridiculous that people agreed with him. Especially given that Levitt does the same in the climax when he chooses to keep the true nature of things secret.
    You think Pike and Sykes haven't been watchin' us. They know what this is all about - and what do I have? Nothin' but you egg-suckin', chicken stealing gutter trash with not even sixty rounds between you. We're after men - and I wish to God I was with 'em
  • 2 years ago
  • @slysnide I can definatly get behind any and all of these ideas taken seperatly but if all of these points unfolded t would have been very depressing. I think murdering off Gordon would have been most effective.
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  • 2 years ago
  • I can concur that Lucius' death would be forgiven seems that he's purpose was to supply Batman with weapons and tech which should be initiated by Bruce himself. While Bane should have lived makes sense that it would be given how he tormented people going back to a maximum prison would be gratifying for his lost sould when he was still underground.
  • 2 years ago
  • I think he should have left the Blake character out all together. He was just there stealing Gordons thunder. WOuld have much rather see Gordon in action. And the fact that he turned into Robin at the end was just the worst ending ever.
  • 2 years ago
  • the thing is that the sequel films needs change in their plot ... that is why such variations occurs. every one has his own respectable opinion.. tell me one thing.. after watching this film in which category u want this film to fall..
    science fiction.
    fantasy
    drama
    action
    suspense
    u may add this film in more then 1 category if you want to.
  • 1 year ago
  • Although, the Dark Knight Rises has been shown for almost 4 months, the passion of its fans has still increasing. We still talk about the film. We considered its products as gifts to give our family and friends at Halloween. This hit will continue to the coming Thanksgiving and Black Friday and Xmas as well.
    I've heard there is a big promotion on Bane mask.
    Will you buy it as a gift?
  • 1 year ago
  • @basquat -- Agreed.
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  • 1 year ago
  • i doubt many people know who terry is, Robin is perfect as everyone knows him as Batman's sidekick...I like the 4th point it would look brilliant, only if there were no time strains and if they would stretch it more. A couple of more scenes where Bane sees Gotham in a new light, maybe saves a small girl from a mugger reminder of how he saved talia earlier....and then moving out of Gotham surrounded by a huge crowd...
  • 10 months ago
  • thanks for sharing