Inception: Review By Messenger

Messenger

@dan1

Yeah, it was a good discussion.

1 year agoby @messengerFlag

Dan

Lol, some good arguments on this review :)

1 year agoby @dan1Flag

Messenger

LOL no no no I love the movie but those two things are the only gripes I had and with all this back and forth, back and forth it makes it seem likes it's much bigger than it really is. There are bunches of movies that I love that I a few complaints with but with the over all of it is what matters to me. So, in turn, I love Inception.

And yeah, you'll rarely see me get upset on here. I let people show their true colors. I'm an aspiring writer and I retain a professional attitude no matter where I am.

2 years agoby @messengerFlag

Bryan Yentz

Well, Messenger, looks like you're making friends... I don't get why some of these users see the need in creating personal attacks out of opinion-based reviews, but congrats on not stooping to that level.

Judging by your review, it actually seems like you were too kind to the film in giving it a 4.5. I definitely see your points though--especially in regards to the characters.

2 years agoby @bryanyentzFlag

Messenger

I still say that being called a douche is overkill and plus I'm no youngster. And I see your view about his wife but a culmination of things led to me not caring. Not matter how much I open my eyes and mind I can't help the way I feel on the subject much like her character and how you explained how she felt about Cobb. I liked Cobb's character more because he seemed to develop more than anyone, here again, this is how I feel and what I got from the movie. I understand what you are talking about but doesn't mean I have to like it or just blindly accept it. I can't ignore the smalls things because the rest is amazing. It's like having a splinter, while the rest of you might feel great, that splinter gets on your nerves and you have to address it.

If you feel that I am wrong then there is nothing I can do. I don't know how I can make my point any clearer, than that this movie has only two gripes for me. Characters and the constant story flying at me made it to where I couldn't settle down and really get into it as much as I wanted.

This movie IS well written and as I writer I see that and I applaud that through and through but I can't accept that this movie is flawless because it is not, because Mr. Nolan is not a flawless writer.

And I don't get mad at people for being passionate about a movie they love, I don't understand how they, you, handle yourself. I love to talk about movies but not bitch over them. To be honest I appreciate some the elements of the movie more now that we have talked. And lastly I don't see how giving my opinion on the matter makes me a pessimist or selfish. I assure, I'm neither.

2 years agoby @messengerFlag

SupermanEmpire

Ok, Hate being a very strong word (that I seldom use) let me reply by saying no...I don't hate you, matter of fact you seem like a fairly bright youngster full of aspirations...what I did say was that you were a douch, now status as a douch can be easily remedied. I respect the fact that you change for no one, its a quality I myself try to live by...however if you really think about the one issue you had with the film...and open your mind in accepting the finer points (that you may have missed), than you may have avoided the pratfall so many others fall pray to in your reasoning. Believe me I have the same competitive spirit you exude, the moment you can appreciate another artist at the top of their game, without spilling over the canvas for the most finite flaw...do you reach the true climax of your own potential. Being a pesimest for selfish reasons resulted in douch status...having respectful commentary in the face of insult...put me in douch status, so bravo for that.

By the way...in my opinion the character with the most depth in Inception was his wife...see the movie again, Hes dreaming man...if you have ever really been in love you will know that this movie is an ode to taking leaps of faith, she begged him...just as he begged her for trust and faith, in the end he let his doubts prevent him from waking up...his love failed, but her...she put her head on the track...she took that leap. Imagine her heartbreak when he didnt wake up beside her....tragic.

Her character was so important to the main character in life, that his projections of her nearly stole the show with their complexity and weight...don't sell the movie short man...every ounce of story was there for a reason, the layers are many, but all lead to a true conclusion.

2 years agoby @supermanempireFlag

Messenger

Wow, really man. What warranted your reaction? Look what I gave the movie, 4.5 stars. I recognize that it was a great film but nothing is flawless. And I will never try to be someone one else or try to top another screenwriter because it's pointless, he has his style I have mine. Will I ever have the success that Mr. Nolan has? Probably not but I'm pretty sure that I could secure myself as notable writer if I try. I have no envy or denial. What ever you have said here is a contradiction because I gave him kudos where it was deserved and only didn't care for the bombardment of story. I understood it once I thought about it, I just didn't like the pacing. And I still stand by that the characters were flat. The only one with any depth was Cobb.

And I agree, this movie has it's own originality, which I stated in my first sentence above. I just can't believe that you have so much hatred toward me because of a silly review. I'm glad that you gave a blistering retort to my review because I have to get used to people like you. I will be faced with this through out my writing career and I have to get used to it.

2 years agoby @messengerFlag

SupermanEmpire

Messenger...you are a douch, plain and simple. Just because you are smart enough to see a good thing in front of you, doesn't mean you have to let envy and denial be your support structure in writing a review. This film is one of the most original EVER MADE, just because you don't have the skills to even come close to its level of complexity or quality, doesn't mean you have to sell it as "too much of a good thing" what the f*ck does that even mean? Do you hear yourself? Take a long hard look in the mirror, accept who you are, and appreciate good work when you see it. This is a flawless film, period. Too much of a bad thing, LOL...your review should have been titled, "I'm an insecure douch"

2 years agoby @supermanempireFlag

Diaigma

It was more or less a message to you that that's how I do my thing, too. And I wasn't telling you what not to do. It was more of an invitation. My bad if it didn't come across that way. No hard feelings. My thoughts exactly.

2 years agoby @diaigmaFlag

Messenger

Nope, not talking down to you. Just pointing out a fact. You got kinda bothered that I just happened to do 1 out 4 reviews with the good and bad format. As if it was strictly yours and I thought you didn't realize that it was very loose way of doing an actual review. Honestly didn't know you would take it in that light, no worries though. I just found it silly that you were writing and telling me not to use something as universal as the review standard with the only thing different being that you label good and bad.

But honestly, no hard feelings or anything.

2 years agoby @messengerFlag

Diaigma

Yes . . . and that's what I do when I write a review. It sounds like your talking down to me. Outlining how to write a review? I've been doing this on and off for two years now. I think I know what I'm doing :P Just so you know, I'm not being protective over my formula (The Good/The Bad), no more than you are being defensive about me calling you on it. Like I said. No harm done. Just consider another way to label your breakdowns. That's all I'm saying.

Also, when I do this ( :P ) it means my comment shouldn't be taken seriously. Just so you know.

2 years agoby @diaigmaFlag

Messenger

@Diaigma

Also when you write an actual review you follow this formula.

Explain the story BME
You tell what you liked and didn't like about each aspect
have an over all thought
then wrap it up by telling what you just wrote about to support what you wrote

I think you're getting a little to protective over a formula that is used quite often for reviews, the only thing different is that you and I actually break it down instead of leaving it in paragraphs.

2 years agoby @messengerFlag

Diaigma

Nah. I'm not really upset. It's just you've never done that with your past reviews, so I was like, hey! :P Check my Inception review to see how I do mine. There are numerous ways to breakdown a movie. I found my niche by labeling my sections as "The Good/The Bad." I'm just saying you sound like me. You might want to create another style. No harm done, friend :)

2 years agoby @diaigmaFlag

Messenger

@Diaigma

I didn't know that you used this format for your reviews...I read so many I honestly don't pay attention to the formats but are you really upset for me using the good/bad system? I mean really, how else is there to break down a movie? I greatly apologize for using your system but I don't see anything wrong with it. It's such a simple and understood way of reviewing a movie it's kinda like trying to copyright the number 1.

As for the movie, I just didn't care him still explaining things right to the end...I just don't like to be bombarded by story unless it's doing so to support the story not just because it has to, to make sense. Anyways I've said this all before....so I am going to stop LOL.

2 years agoby @messengerFlag

Diaigma

You're not ripping off my "The Good/The Bad" reviewing system, are you? You scored this the same as me, but for different reasons. Good review, but I'd appreciate if you'd come up with a better breakdown system then heavily burrowing someone else's. Thank you.

2 years agoby @diaigmaFlag

The Narrator: The Better Man

Lol, @REALavatar, I agree, I would have loved another half hour to flesh out the characters and I guess give us some breathing room for those who share @Messengers view. I think we are all gonna be buying the special edition just to catch what they didn't put in the original release. :)

And I had a friend, and my brother who only saw one teaser for the film before watching it, and they understood pretty well, almost on my level .So it's not overly complex. Just very hard hitting and abrupt.

2 years agoby @narratorFlag

The Narrator: The Better Man

True points. This show actually reminded me of Lost. Never really showing the gears in the background, just keeping you in the fore-ground, moving at times 200 miles an hour. I am used to it by now. Anyways, at least we all agree it was a great movie, if not better.

2 years agoby @narratorFlag

Dan

What I think everyone can agree on though is that with each movie, Nolan pays attention to his weaknesses, and improves on them. I wasn't too thrilled with Dark Knight's ending, but happy with the rest of it. In Inception, the ending was brilliant. Could it have fleshed out some of the other characters more? Sure, and I would have loved another 30 minutes of that, too.

2 years agoby @dan1Flag

Messenger

LOL but I liked it when the top wobbled a bit then it cut to black. So it was a bit ambiguous.

Yeah I didn't know was going to have to so much to it...I figured it would have you thinking but it just constant explanations. I will be sure to see it again.

2 years agoby @messengerFlag

Dan

And I don't like to engage in name calling. Unless it's POTC boy, I can't stand that guy lol.

2 years agoby @dan1Flag

Dan

To be fair, I was fairly read up on this movie before watching it, so I anticipated it's complexities and was looking forward to them. I'm aware I'm biased towards defending them because of that.

But I still feel it wasn't too much, as you feel, but that's alright, we can agree to disagree.

And actually, I didn't feel too bad for him by the end. The guy really was a user, all the other characters were really a means to his end. Which is why I like to believe he was still dreaming in the end, and that the top would never stop spinning.

2 years agoby @dan1Flag

Messenger

Plus a lot of need to know things were said in passing which is another clue on how much he had going on. I just don't like to be bombarded by a movie unless it's designed that way, for example, Crank. This couldn't have played out any other way except information and constant explanations.

2 years agoby @messengerFlag

Messenger

LOL I get that she wasn't really that way but characters are defined by their actions no matter the reason. I felt sorry for him but as for her character I was emotionally checked out.

I don't find the movie impossible to understand, never said that, I am saying that it was to much. Like I said layers are fine and dandy but you have to have balance and pacing which this movie really didn't have. Basically if you are still explaining stuff to your audience 15 minutes before it ends then there is something a little off about it.

I am just glad that you and I can be civil about this and not get into name calling which plagues movieweb. I love to learn about what others have to say because others see stuff I don't and vice-versa and in turn can help me with my own screenwriting.

2 years agoby @messengerFlag

Dan

Crap, let me add...

*Don't read my below comments, filled with spoilers*

2 years agoby @dan1Flag

Dan

"And I've always" meant to read "And I've already"

2 years agoby @dan1Flag

Dan

Well, there isn't any room for debate then with someone who's ready to write off characters that play integral parts in the plot then. His wife was an antagonist, and at the same time she wasn't. She was a projection of Cobb's memory, and he felt guilty for her killing herself and not being able to stop her, so her antagonist behavior is actually a result of Cobb thinking of her in that way. So it isn't that she's actually bad, it's just his conscious f*cking with him.

And I've always discussed this movie in great depth with plenty of friends in real life, and the story was well understood by all, so it's not as impossible as you make it seem to describe it and understand it.

But to each their own, I suppose.

2 years agoby @dan1Flag

Messenger

It has nothing to with patience....and I understood what they were doing but the part that got to me was when Fischer was just shot and they have to go down another level and Ellen Page's character started rambling on about how they were going to get back. It was just to much for me, no breathing room. Yes, they explained it but they kept piling stuff on top of it, "so we are going to do this so we can get kicked out", "well what about this we will have to do thism to do this before this." "but wait, we can't die in the dream cause we are so drugger up that we will die in real life but oh we can go down ANOTHER level past the other point of no return and bring them back etc etc."

I am not saying some didn't understand it right off the bat but I find it hard to believe the majority did. I bet if I sat down with a handful of people who say they do understand and asked them to explain it, I damn near can bet you that they couldn't. I'm sure plenty people can sit at their comp and think about what happened, then type it but verbal, you'd get tongue tied.

As for the good-bye I was just done with her character, I had no emotional stake in her at this point. Plus they made her another antagonist so why should I give a damn?

2 years agoby @messengerFlag

Dan

Gonna have to disagree with you, I enjoyed the movie even more when it started getting layered.

When Cobb was saying goodbye to his wife, it wasn't going to be some simple "ok bye now". They spent decades in that dreamscape together, and she haunted him at his every move and thought, so it was a pretty big deal for him to let go and forgive himself.

As for the layers, they explained it pretty clearly that with the sedatives they could delve deeper and deeper into the mark's subconscious to create the inception, so it wasn't that hard to follow since it's explained before they attempt it.

It sounds like you concentrated more on whatever visual thrills were presented, and were tapping your feet whenever someone opened their mouth. Patience, dude.

2 years agoby @dan1Flag

The Narrator: The Better Man

On the whole top thing, I understood this as well. That doesn't necessarily make it predictable. Good review, but I honestly think you need to re-watch this, because me, and quite a few of the users here caught everything that Nolan intended for us to catch. You must remember that this is still a blockbuster, just a creative one. Of course there will be some irrational things.

2 years agoby @narratorFlag