The Grudge

[MovieChick]

There's a teaser trailer up for Sarah Michelle Gellar's new movie The Grudge. It actually looks kinda freaky. I'm still a bit skepticle due to the failings of most of Sarah Michelle Gellar's movies exculding Cruel Intentions. But then again Sam Raimi produced it so there's hope right there.

You can check it out here:

http://movies.yahoo.com/movies/feature/thegrudge.html

[carl]

Oh no no no no!!!

Looks crap, sorry but it does. The original is just one of the scariest movies I've ever seen and; like Ringu, it doesn't need a crappy American remake too screw up its good name. Witness the trailer for the first and best Ju-On (The Grudge)

http://www.filmhorizon.com/fh-media/TheGrudge_100.asx

[ClarkParker]

You didn't like the Ring, Carl? Shame one you for saying something with Naomi Watts could be crappy. :wink:

[Romsie]

The original is definitely outstanding, but the Hollywood version is directed by the same Japanese director Takashi Shimizu.
Sam Raimi encouraged Shimizu to shoot The Grudge in Japan. So creatively, Shimzu was given a great deal of freedom to experiment further with his brilliant horror ideas. The results I believe, are fantastic. The other myth is that it is like Ringu. It is not.

[Brian]

The original is definitely outstanding, but the Hollywood version is directed by the same Japanese director Takashi Shimizu.
Sam Raimi encouraged Shimizu to shoot The Grudge in Japan. So creatively, Shimzu was given a great deal of freedom to experiment further with his brilliant horror ideas. The results I believe, are fantastic. The other myth is that it is like Ringu. It is not.

Very cool.

[Reno]

I think it look's good my self.

[Mountainsofolivs]

It has a corny title, and Sarah Michelle Geller for the lead actress, but in all honesty, Im pretty psyched for this movie heres the link for the trailer.

http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/sony/thegrudge/

Here some quick info

-From Ghost house pictures
-Directed (I think hes directing it) Sam Raimi (creator of Evil Dead and Dark man and spiderman and spiderman 2
-Producer is Taka Ichise (Ringu) so it is quite ringlike
-Based on Japanese hit Ju-On

[Reno]

wow that looks great I can't wait, and I love her so it will be great.

[MovieChick]

From what I heard about this movie, it's the original story of The Ring. The Ring was based on the Japanese movie Ju-On: The Grudge. The American writers changed a lot of things about the story in The Ring. So now the Japanese writers are bringing the story to American and telling it the was meant to be told.

I too am very interested in checking it out when it's released.

[Anonymous]

From what I heard about this movie, it's the original story of The Ring. The Ring was based on the Japanese movie Ju-On: The Grudge. The American writers changed a lot of things about the story in The Ring. So now the Japanese writers are bringing the story to American and telling it the way it was meant to be told.

I too am very interested in checking it out when it's released.

[Reno]

I think you might be right.

[MovieChick]

It has a corny title, and Sarah Michelle Geller for the lead actress

Sarah Michelle Gellar is a pretty good actress, her choice of projects often proves that wrong, Scooby-Doo, Harvard Man, Simply Irresistible, all garbage. I loved her in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, I personally think that she should have never left if she was going to make movies like this. However, the only movie she was good in up until this point is Cruel Intentions. She does have talent. I think she can handle The Grudge.

[Mountainsofolivs]

Im not saying shes a bad actor, I just cant see her in a horror movie

[Reno]

she's already been in a horror movie "I know what you did Last Summer".

[That Kid]

Oh God, anything but that! :lol:

[Mountainsofolivs]

she's already been in a horror movie "I know what you did Last Summer".

If you consider THAT horror

[That Kid]

Was she in I STILL KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER?

And if I STILL KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER takes place one year after I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER, shouldn't the title be I STILL KNOW WHAT YOU DID TWO YEARS AGO???

[Mountainsofolivs]

God I hate money grabbing sequels

[Anonymous]

she's already been in a horror movie "I know what you did Last Summer".

I wouldn't really declare that as a shining moment for her.





Was she in I STILL KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER?

And if I STILL KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER takes place one year after I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER, shouldn't the title be I STILL KNOW WHAT YOU DID TWO YEARS AGO???


She wasn't in I still know...., she died in the previous movie.

[Krossroads]

Here some quick info
-Directed (I think hes directing it) Sam Raimi

It's directed by the same guy who directed Ju-on: The Grudge. Sam produced it.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know of any promotions going on for passes to the premiere of The Grudge on October 12th in Westwood, CA? I have been doing a search with no luck so far. Any information or suggestions you can pass on is appreciated. Thanks.

[Snatchtastic]

This movie looks fucking Horrible, it seems that fall isn't lacking with the shitfest for movies this year either. Wow I'm Sarah Michelle Gellar and there are all sorts of horrible fucking ghost children walking around looking at me and oh no, I'm in the shower and there's a hand coming out of my head. :roll:

[KnightofNee]

It could be good. "And monkeys could fly out of my butt." I agree it will probably be bad. I will see it though because Sarah Michelle Geller does a shower scene. Why does she have three names two will do.

[MetalMan713]

Saw a much better trailer on TV last night on this one . . . Creepy







:joker:

[MovieChick]

That guest reply was from me. I don't know why it did that, it's happened to me a couple of other times since.

I apologize for any confusion.

[Room237]

I am really excited about this movie. I just hope that it will be as creepy as te trailers potray it to be unlike other moview we all know *cough* The Village *cough* The only thing i hope they don't do is give too much away in the trailer. I mean why don't they make horror movie trailers like The Ring's. Did anyone catch it? It was like a 5 sec clip of the movie and then it said "Before you die you see the ring" and that was it. It made the movie mysterious and more scary cause you didn't expect a thing. And that's my two cents.

[Habodabi]

I've seen Ju-On "the grudge" in Japanese with English subtitles. The American version will be great. Ju-On had many creepy images and the idea that a curse results from violent death is cool and scary. Ju-On had the same feel and weaknesses that Ringu had, where it looked like a college film school final and the director took way too many detours.

Ringu did that but The Ring stayed on target and was easy to follow.

I think the American version of Ju-On will be great because they will stay on target with the story line and not go on tangents like the original did.

For MovieChick: Ringu = The Ring. Ju-On = The Grudge. Two completely seperate films with totally different stories. You mentioned that they are related but I don't think they are. :)

Did I say the same thing like ten times?

[Habodabi]

I liked "Ju-On". I'm sure they will do a decent job with it's remake "The Grudge". In Ju-On the hand reaching into her hair in the shower was a good tingler. Lots of creepy images and shockaroos galore.

I like it! Buffy is hot by the way.

[Anonymous]

I still have had no luck with Los Angeles, however Fearsmag.com is doing a contest for the New York Premiere.

[Anonymous]

One of the scariest movies since The Ring! I'd happly wanna say that i've been in one of curses before and want you people to know that the grudge is a bit my story about me being cursed as Sarah Gellar in this new epic film of terror.

[That Kid]

http://www.movieweb.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2418

[hutchz heroez]

I don't know maybe it will be good. It looks like another Darkness Falls to me, but who am I to judge! I must have been the only person who thought the villiage sucked

[godzilla slayer]

I think there is a bit of confusion between The Ring and The Grudge. Although I have to admit when I first seen the previews for The Grudge I thought to myself, Ring 2, but both of these movies are completely different, and I don't believe were ever supposed to be the same movie. Actually, both Ringu (The Ring) and Ju-On (The Grudge) have the same creators.

[MovieChick]

I just recieved sneak preview passes to see it this Thursday. I hope it's good.

[Krossroads]

I just recieved sneak preview passes to see it this Thursday. I hope it's good.

How many did you get? Take me! I'll give you pleasure! :P

[Anonymous]

How many did you get? Take me! I'll give you pleasure! :P

lol

Sorry I only have enough for my boyfriend and I.

[That Kid]

Hmmm.... someone forgot to log in. :P

[MovieChick]

Hmmm.... someone forgot to log in. :P


ok That was me again. Sorry. I hate it when it does that. I mean it should prompt you to log in or if you want to log in as guest instead of just doing it.

[KnightofNee]

Hey Krossroads, if you are willing to go to Rhode island and see it they are doing a show thursday at my local theatre. You have to give me pleasure though.

[Anonymous]

Hey Krossroads, if you are willing to go to Rhode island and see it they are doing a show thursday at my local theatre. You have to give me pleasure though.

Are you from Rhode Island?

[Krossroads]

Hey Krossroads, if you are willing to go to Rhode island and see it they are doing a show thursday at my local theatre. You have to give me pleasure though.

hmmmm....

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[That Kid]

You just LOVE butt secks, don't you Kross? :roll:

[Krossroads]

You just LOVE butt secks, don't you Kross? :roll:

Just curious. Did you actually roll your eyes or are you just posting that for fun?

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/user_images/pics/1/3498000/ngbbs417021bd8b05c.gif

[KnightofNee]

San Diego. It is about as far from Louisville I think though.

[hbillger]

I've heard both things...But I need to know.......Is "The Grudge" the sequel to "The Ring"??? Is it "The Ring 2" or something completely different?!?!

[Krossroads]

Different movie. No connection at all.

[hbillger]

Thanks Krossroads for the reply! It's been bugging my brother and I!!

[MovieChick]

I saw The Grudge last night. I thought it was really good. There will definately be some ambiguous opinions about it thought. I don't think it's something I'll want to get on DVD but still I thought it was really good.

[Habodabi]

The Grudge was excellent. It was better then the Japanese version Ju-On 2 which I liked a lot too. It was genuinely creepy and spooked me quite a bit throughout. This was a remake of Ju-On 2. The first sucked I guess but the second was good enough to get remade with American actors. The Grudge is a hell of a lot better than most scary movies that have come out in my recent memory.

I watched the Japanese version about a month ago in the theater. I have never seen the first one.

Give it a try

[MovieReel]

The grudge look's like a really good film, Somthing different for gellar and i cant wait till it opens here in the uk next week. Has it got any bad reviews over in the US?

[MetalMan713]

I'm going to try to see this one over the Halloween weekend. . . a freind went to see this one and was freaked out. . . Gellar nonewithstanding. . .





:neutral:

[Habodabi]

The Grudge did get bad reviews as well as good ones. I have been losing faith in my favorite review man Roger Ebert. His review of the film made me think he didn't even watch the whole thing, he must be sick of reviewing films instead of watching them.

I sent Chicago Sun Times an email. I asked Ebert if he pre-judges a film based on who made it, how much they spent, who acted in it and who directed it before even watching the movie. He easily can make an educated guess as to what will be crap based on the knowledge of who makes crap and who doesn't. I hope he tries to remain open and not filled with cynical preconceptions about actors and stuff. He hasn't responded yet, it's been about a year...

I liked the Grudge. Many Japanese films go on tangents and are difficult to follow. The Grudge did this but I was still happy to follow wherever they led me. It was a neat movie.

[MetalMan713]

Number 1 movie this week - with $40 million at the box office. . .




:neutral:

[Krossroads]

Number 1 movie this week - with $40 million at the box office. . .

Well look at its comeptition, Surviving Christmas, not to mention that were so close to Halloween.

[Garfield83]

Ok, yesterday I watched the japense version. It was brill.

Then the very same evening I saw this new version..........It also is very good!!!

[lbosquet]

welcome back Garfield...I have yet to see the movies in both the original and american versions...then i'll get to post...

[Garfield83]

Well I was woried about the remake. Ring in my opinion was a poor remake. But this practically mirrors the original, explains it alot easier. Plus it sticks to being as vreepy as possible. Little gore more suspense!

Plus I ACTUALLY LIKED Sarah Michelle Geller!!!! I haven't liked her in a film since the lesbo kiss in CRUEL INTENTIONS!

[lbosquet]

so, are you saying that the grudge can mirror the events from the original Ring? Does it have anything to do with the ring??

[Garfield83]

Sorry,

It mirrors the original version of The grudge: Ju on

[lbosquet]

thanks for making things clear. And did you get to see
a tale of two sisters
Old Boy
Memories of murder

?? any of hte movies i'e told you about??

[Garfield83]

I fancy seeing the two sisters one. But I dont know were to find it!?

[lbosquet]

it's A Tale of Two Sisters...maybe you can find it on amazon or ebay...but if you're talking about rent, well, an asiatic movie renting specialist would be best..sorry for not helping you more

[Krossroads]

But this practically mirrors the original

Well I wonder why? :roll:

[Room237]

I really enjoyed this movie. Now once agian i know everyone will agree with me when i say that the acting is less than par i mean i think Sarah does a great job but some of the supporting characters, ehh. but everyone once be reminded that horror movies are not known for having the best acting. So overall is the grudge worth seeing? Yes, yes it is. If you enjoyed the ring then go see it. You should be pleastenly suprized.

For thsoe who say that this is a ring 'clone' then you should take a look at the reasons why they are similar, a.) both movies are primarily based upon old japanese myths and many cultural beliefs of the japanese. b.) The screenwriter of this movie knew the writer of 'ringu' well, perhaps some ideas rubbed off on one another?

And to clarify this is not Ring 2, Ring 2 is due out in March.

[Garfield83]

But this practically mirrors the original

Well I wonder why? :roll:

Smart arse!!

[Anonymous]

From what I heard about this movie, it's the original story of The Ring. The Ring was based on the Japanese movie Ju-On: The Grudge. The American writers changed a lot of things about the story in The Ring. So now the Japanese writers are bringing the story to American and telling it the was meant to be told.

I too am very interested in checking it out when it's released.

Um, I'm not sure if thats right :l I think The Ring does have aspects of Ju-on in it but it also has concepts from Dark Water among others. The Ring does follow the story of the original novel "Ring" and some of it is unique to the remake but I don't think The Grudge and The Ring were ever meant to be the same. The Ring is a more puzzling mystery horror, with twinges of thriller in it, that makes the viewer want to delve deeper into the mysterious curse and the past of Samara/Sadako.... The Grudge is more an initial fright which leaves viewers scared of everyday things.

[Kman]

I did not enjoy this movie at all...boring plot... crap ending...only good thins was Sarah Michelle Gellar 8) oh mama :D

I give this movie 1.5 / 5

[TeenageProdigy]

This is indeed a very dodgy film. I was laughing all the way through, as were many of the people in the cinema. This would be fine if we were seeing a comedy. But we were seeing a horror film. I didn't want to laugh, I wanted to be freaked out. I wanted to be scared and I wasn't. Therefore, this film sucks in my opinion.

[moviebuff666]

i finally seen the movie (the grudge) at theatres awhile back finally, sarah michelle gellar is one of
my faves, me and my mom seen it to gether at theatres, when i was watching it thoe in the beginning
of the movie where the cast was showing jason behr's name showed up in the cast (jason behr)
from roswell and i was surpprised to know that he was in the movie, i knew (sarah michelle gellar)
was in it but didn't knew about (jason behr) being in it, we seen (sarah) and (jason) in something
else before and it was an episode of buffy the vampire slayer from season 2 the episode is
called "lie to me" after all this time we finally seen them in a movie together, before me seeing the
movie i was wondering to my self will i ever see him in a movie yet and then sure enough finally
i did anyway ... now ... there is rummors about a sequel being made, possible coming out in 2005 this
year or 2006 im not to sure about it yet, i am looking foword to it thoe, can't wait for the sequel ...... go sequel ....... :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:

[momerath]

I saw Ju-on a few weeks ago, and I'm sorry I spent the money on it. It's gotta be the first movie I've seen in ages that I didn't really understand. I suppose I should have seen The Grudge first, because the language and the constant jumping back and forth in time confused me to the point of not caring anymore. None of my questions were answered, and I almost don't want them answered, just because to waste another moment of my life on it would be a crime in itself. Maybe I'll read a synopsis of it someday, but I'm not going out of my way on this one.

[TeenageProdigy]

The Grudge was awful.

[steve88]

The grudge was a good movie. I enjoyed the movie. :wink:

[lbosquet]

The grudge was a good movie. I enjoyed the movie. :wink:

Yeah, a decent one, quite a few scares and jumps...

[MetalMan713]

5 Things I gleaned from watching THE GRUDGE. . .

1. Living a house in Japan would be cool. . .

2. Sharing it with vengeful Japanese ghosts would not. . .

3. Japanese Ghosts are messy housekeepers. . .

4. Japanese Ghosts are tricky and good trackers. . .

5. The girl from THE RING was far scarier than either Kayako or Toshio. . .

8)

[lbosquet]

Seems that the japanese haev a fiwed vision of what a ghost should look like, well, at least a female ghost..she should be dressed in rags, covered with blood, with crackling articulation points ,blank stares, be all wet and of course have lots of hair covering their faces (I would have said 'grumble' but I guess the gril from ring 2 talks...not sure though)

[TeenageProdigy]

I'm beginning to suspect that I'm the only one who didn't like this movie.

[MetalMan713]

I'm beginning to suspect that I'm the only one who didn't like this movie.

Maybe - I laughed while watching this poop fest.
What was Raimi smoking when he saw the original (JU-ON) and came up with the idea of remaking this goodie, in addition, to hiring the original director to helm it?
I did like the cop character though . . .he should have followed his first instinct and burned down the ruddy house. . .
8)

[Krossroads]

I'm beginning to suspect that I'm the only one who didn't like this movie.

I think I gave it a 2/5.

It wasn't meant to be great storywise. Its just a movie meant to make you jump.

I've seen A LOT worse.

[E_Norton_Fan67]

This movie sucked compared to the japanese version which was fantastic.

really fantastic.

[That Kid]

The asian kid looks like someone who goes to my school. :lol:

[TeenageProdigy]

I'm beginning to suspect that I'm the only one who didn't like this movie.It wasn't meant to be great storywise. Its just a movie meant to make you jump.

I know that. That's why I didn't like it. It didn't make me jump.

[MetalMan713]

Some Differences between THE GRUDGE and JU-ON:The Grudge. . .

The Heroine
Karen is a student working in Japan - meets Kayako 3 times - attempts to burn down the house.
Rika is a nurse - meets Kayako 3 times - is killed by Takeo the same way he killed Kayako

The Heroine's 'Boss'
Alex gives Yoko's assignment to Karen - is called by Karen who finds Toshio in closet - finds Emma dead and Karen in shock - he is met by Yoko and screams when he sees that she is missing her bottom jaw - found dead with Yoko.
Hirohashi - gives unnamed co-worker assignment to Rika - is called by Rika who finds Toshio in closet - finds Sachie dead and Rika in shock - found dead later under a sink at the Social Welfare Center.

The Cop
Nakagawa figures out the house is evil - sees the videotape - attempts to burn down the house and is drowned for his trouble by Takeo.
Toyama is the only cop from the original investigation - Igarashi is the current one investigating the Tokunaga family tragedy.
Toyama sees the videotape and attempts to burn down the house, he is distracted by finding his daughter Izumi and some friends there - is attacked by Kayako but rescued by Igarashi - who dies from being scared to death - Toyama freaks out and dies at home

The boyfriend
Doug is a student in Japan and the boyfriend of Karen - doesn't do much else but die at the end by Kayako.
No boyfriend for Rika - best friend is Mariko she is a grade school teacher of Toshio - visits Toshio at the house - gets pulled up into the dark attic and killed by Kayako.

The Family
Matthew and Jennifer move in with Emma - one by one are killed by Kayako - found in attic (with Yoko's jawbone) dead - presumed he killed her then committed suicide. Emma - slightly nutter by the day by Toshio and Kayako - dies with Karen in the room. They are the only family to move into the house since the killings of Kayako and Toshio took place. . .Susan - sister - encounters Kayako in the stairwell - is killed in her bed at her apartment by Kayako.
Katsuya and Kazumi move in with Sachie - Kazumi is killed by Kayako - Katsuya is possessed by Takeo but kicks Hitomi out of the house before she is killed - are found in attic - presumed murder suicide - Sachie dies with Rika in the room.
They are the most recent family to move into the house - there have been others. . .
Hitomi - sister - encounters Kayako in the ladies restroom - is killed in her bed at her apartment by Kayako.

The Ghosts
Takeo in a jealous rage after reading Kayako's journal - beats her to death, drowns Toshio (a battered child) and the cat - then kills himself. Takeo kills the detective by drowning - Kayako kills everyone else - Toshio can appear as pale white with black eyes or a battered child - if he's near Kayako's not far behind.
Takeo kills Kayako and Toshio - the cat is drowned - then is found dead elsewhere - he possesses Katsuya - kills Rika
Kayako is more sympathic - but still kills.

[momerath]

I had hoped to follow what you were saying in an attempt to figure out what confused me while watching Ju-on... unfortunately, I lost you after the first couple of comparisons. I've come to the conclusion that it's the Japanese names that screw me over every time... I just can't remember them for more than a couple of seconds. Thus, no matter how many times they say someone's name, it's like they're introducing a new character, which makes the story seem like random events happening to a chain of a billion different characters. I might just have to watch The Grudge in order to bypass the language stupidity... we shall have to see if I'm un-lazy enough, though. :?

[TeenageProdigy]

Plus they all look the same. :lol:

[MetalMan713]

I had hoped to follow what you were saying in an attempt to figure out what confused me while watching Ju-on... unfortunately, I lost you after the first couple of comparisons. I've come to the conclusion that it's the Japanese names that screw me over every time... I just can't remember them for more than a couple of seconds. Thus, no matter how many times they say someone's name, it's like they're introducing a new character, which makes the story seem like random events happening to a chain of a billion different characters. I might just have to watch The Grudge in order to bypass the language stupidity... we shall have to see if I'm un-lazy enough, though. :?

Many apologies, mome.
I was curious to what drew Sam Raimi into re-making this one with the original director.
He should have bought the rights to the original and release over here - it would have saved money, as well as, the original is far better than the remake.

In the original - the female ghost Kayako kills the security guard - in the remake he lives.
In the original - the boy ghost Toshio tries to get on the elevator the sister is on - in the remake - no such reference is shown
In the original - the 'rasping' sound Kayako is explained - her throat is crushed received from her beating from her husband - in the remake - no explanation is given. . .

[ItalianGoddess86]

I wanted to see this movie but I didn't. My brother saw it and he said that it was a good and scary movie. So I just might go out and watch it..if its in theaters still. If not then I'll wait til it comes out on DVD.

[MetalMan713]

I wanted to see this movie but I didn't. My brother saw it and he said that it was a good and scary movie. So I just might go out and watch it..if its in theaters still. If not then I'll wait til it comes out on DVD.


It's out on DVD now - both the original and this remake. . .

[ItalianGoddess86]

oh ok..thanks metalman. :D

[kc]

I've seen the movie... yeah, while it does have a lot of creepy elements to it, and there were definitely parts that spooked me out, it does get a bit ridiculous. I won't give anything away here, but I'll just say that there is a spooky sound that gets way overused... and in the theatre I saw it in, people started to actually laugh as they heard it. It was totally weird; I've never been in a theatre for a horror movie that had so much laughing by the audience. Heh, and then after the movie all the guys were trying to mimic the sounds, and all the girls were yelling at them to stop it.

[Snatchtastic]

I didn't watch much of this movie because most of us that watched it wouldn't shut the f*ck up while watching it.

And there were two major scenes which stuck with me and made me feel on edge. The scene where the lady gets in her bed and lifts up the sheets to see the girls face staring at her is by far psychologically f*cked.

Think about it, the bed is a sleep station a work bench and an all around safe place but not here or anywhere, I thought twice about pulling the blankets over my head incase there was some asian chick underneath ready to chew out my spleen.

and the reflection of the girl on the bus but after that we MST3K'd that sh*t.

[lbosquet]

And there were two major scenes which stuck with me and made me feel on edge. The scene where the lady gets in her bed and lifts up the sheets to see the girls face staring at her is by far psychologically f*cked.

Think about it, the bed is a sleep station a work bench and an all around safe place but not here or anywhere, I thought twice about pulling the blankets over my head incase there was some asian chick underneath ready to chew out my spleen.

and the reflection of the girl on the bus but after that we MST3K'd that sh*t.

86% of the people die in their beds...does it mean the bed is a dangerous place?

and for the reflection, you can hear a bicycle squeak twice...I was just waiting for a third squeak in that the dead asian chick would be riding a bicycle right next to the bus and look at Gellar...I was so much waiting for it that the first time I saw the movie and that the face appeared on the window, I didn't notice it...lol

[shaneOmac]

I saw it in the theater on opening night, that's my suggestion anyway... When your looking forward to a movie's release, always go see it on opening night... It puts the magic that the movie's lack now-a-days back into the movie going experience.

Anyway... I also bought the DVD when it was released, and let me tell you... It's a much better movie if seen in the movie theater, as are many movies.

[carl]

OK having watched both films now I can safely say this.

MY GOD THE GRUDGE WAS CRAP!!!!!

I saw Ju-On in the cinema and I was scared. I was scared because the imagery was just too damn scary. Toshio under the table, the school girls behind the window, the mother coming down the stairs. I was pinned to my seat in fear. I also found the original featured better storytelling, featuring The Grudge spreading out like a virus and infecting people who had never visited the house. It's been described as meandering off, it was actually getting the story told in the best possible way.

The Grudge though bored me senseless. The imagery looked too fake, the mother too made up, Toshio didn't look innocent and so never scary, and the school girls scene (the scariest scene in the first) was completely removed because American film makers take it as a given that their audience lacks the intelligence to follow a simple story. In the end the story sections kept were spelt out in simpler terms than Kindergarten, the ones cut removed the whole spreading curse thing and so it lost its psychological edge. Oooh a curse that leaves you alone if you stay away from the haunted house, clearly a scary thought.

Overall The Grudge suffered a lot of the same problems as The Ring. Completely patronizing story telling that spells out everything and removed any mystery, and a god awful belief that creepy visuals are not enough and need to be replaced by poor makeup and even worse CGI effects. The Grudge is even worse though. Whereas the Ring was a halfway decent fright fest that paled in comparison to the original but made for an above average American horror, The Grudge is a mess of a movie. A travesty that no unfortunate soul should have to endure.

[Dogbone]

I would like to see the original in the hopes it will make me forget the horrible remake. I wanted to turn it off half way through. I am glad all I wasted was the rental fee and 90 minutes of my life. :x

[That Kid]

Many say the original was worse.

Not all movies that have been remade are good to start with.