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  • 8 years ago
  • The chosen film for May 2007 is Raging Bull. Please use this thread to discuss the film only. Any off-topic posts will be deleted. This thread will run until the end of May, at which time a new thread will open for next month's film.
  • 8 years ago
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    Directed By: Martin Scorsese
    Written By: Paul Schrader & Mardik Martin (based on the book by Jake LaMotta, Joseph Carter, & Peter Savage)
    Originally Released: December 19, 1980 (USA)
    Rated: R
    Length: 129 minutes
    Starring: Robert DeNiro & Joe Pesci
  • 8 years ago
  • =) The greatest biopic ever.
  • 8 years ago
  • I just watch it for the first time. i havent read the book and i have never saw a doc*mentary on Lamotta, so i cant say if it's the greatest biopic ever , but i sincerly doubt it. Dont get me wrong I like it a lot but , more then one secene fell short for me and theres was 1 or 2 scenes that were a complete bored to wacth. Since i it's my first viewing of this film and i had really high expectation about it . I want to watch it one more time before doing my breakdown and discussing what i think with yall. so dont quote anything from this post , wait till i post my real brakdown.and i think i have a couple of cool things to say about this film
  • 8 years ago
  • This movie is great theres not one minute of it thats not entertaining, It's not as good as some of Scorseses other films like Taxi Driver and Goodfellas but it's still one of his best. This movie really made me think, I found it really diferent from any other movie the first time I saw it, for me it was like seeing Scarface for the first time and it was great.....
  • 8 years ago
    • Brian
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    What an awesome film, and an awesome choice for the club this month!
  • 8 years ago
  • Oh yes a very good movie indeed
    One of De Niro's best!
  • 8 years ago
  • Second time I watch it , bought it for this club and thanks guys and girls it's a sure keep , but even after my second viewing of this flick there still a couple of things that fell flat for me. so here goes :

    Opening credits : Really loved it , love that symphony. . A typical Boxing movie would of have Lamotta do a lot more shadow boxing in the ring , would of seen the crowd. Instead here you see a bit of shadow boxing but more jumping and struting , Lots of smoke (something you see tru the film but ill get back to that later) and you barely see the crowd.For me that opening reveals what kind of movie your going to watch , your not gonna watch a boxing type of film but an intelligent character study type of film , and truly one of the best.Just by that opening i was keeping the movie even if i dint like it.

    Story : like i said I havent seen no docs or read a book on Lamotta , but sure do now. I like my bio films to be the most accurate has possible , i hate when they changes stuff just to appeal to an audience , hope that wasnt the case here cuz I thought the story his flawless but there stuff Scorcesse put in the films that bomb for me. That hole seen were he first takes Vicky on a date to play miniput then takes her to his house is really a bored for to watch and i cant beleive someone would pick up a girl whit almost saying nothing. I think Scorsesse just of skip that first date and just jump to him already with her and divorce. When Lamotta is in his bar pooring champagne drinks is a useless scene. And two thing i dint get when you see him beeing an annoncer in a titty joint , does he own the joint or does just work there . And the start and the end what his it , is he receiting his own monologues or the work of other artist that was on the billboard ,and did he do that for a long time and had an happy ending till his death. Oh and there just one other thing that felt flat is when he sees his brother after all these years , he's too drunk for it to be meaningfull , i wonder if they really talk after that , cuz all tru the movie they look so close.Oh and I would of like to see if he was really a poor father or what (you just dont see him at all with his kids.)

    Fights and trainings : The first fight was kinda hoaky you could see sometimes that they dont touch at all , but it only happens in that fight. The rest of the fights are pretty well shot I loved that the camera his always in the heart of the action. The training scenes are pretty good too , That training scene when Frank and joey are boxing together and the wise guys come in and Franks starts to beat the sh*t out of Franky his pretty intense. Love that seen when he messes that pretty boys face '' he aint pretty no more''.But i dint like when we saw photos of him winning if your gonna do that at least put picture of the real Frank Lamotta

    Casting : awesome , typical Scorsesse casting except I've never been a fan of Cathy moriaty i think she mostly over act. And since Jack first got hook by her she was 15 (He was what 24-28, f*ck t dateline has a show to catch creeps like him), Scorseesee should of pick an actress who look younger. The chemistry between DeNiro and Pesci is always fascinating to watch , before watching this film I dint know there were playing brothers in it , and wow it look like they knew each other there hole life. I just love every scene were it's just does too talking , the dialogue and there action are so brotherly, it's amazing. F*ck DeNiro got fat for that role and he did an amazing acting job . Each time he starts juggling crazy sh*t in his head he's got that crazy nothing there look and I have seen people like him and it's exactly like that . Again Pesci gives us an intense performance , but I like that in this movie he his always the more calm unlike Goodfellas and Casino. Frank vincent was also great , I find it hillarious that in this film he gets beat the sh*t of by Pesci and in Casino he beats the sh*t out of Pesci. The only flaw in the castinf his having an actor who will turn out to be an awsome actor and have him just sit at a table without even let him say a word , to bad for John Turturo

    Score : excellent thats all I have too say I really love that litle whistling beat when Lamotta watchs vicky leave in Salvy Batts car.

    Metaphors for me in the film : I found that in the beginning of his carreer in the ring his start was a bit chaotic , and you could see choas around him too ( fights around the arena , fights in the bar, fights with his first wife) And his mind his mostly always clouded by crazy thoughts and all tru the film you see him sorrounded in smoke

    Best scenes and quotes : My 2 best scenes his when Pesci beats the sh*t out of Salvy , f*cking intense that banging car door and him begging the passenger for help. And the second his when Franks starts to loose it and ask Joey and Vicky a lot of f*ckup question till he goes to his brothers house and beats him.This film his also full of memorables quotes for me i specially loved :- I get ya's both in the ring, I'll give ya both a f*ckin' beatin', ya both can f*ck each other
    - Jake La Motta: She says he's pretty.
    Joey LaMotta: Yeah, well, you make him ugly.

    What I think about Jack Lamottas Life : Well he seriously had a problem , still dont see why his last fight he dint fight for it more , I know he wanted to prove a point, he was lost without his brother in his corner. I thinks it's kinda ironic that he was so sure his wife was cheatin but the first chance he gets to be around nice girls alone he fools around. Found it funny that Vicky could take a beating but she left him after he started cheating and boosing. Well in general I think he's a dumb sh*t who got what he deserve : he had a brother and a wife who would of always been there but he piss it away cuz he could not see or admit that he had a serious mental problem. He should of stayed with his first wife that he dint love and wasnt jalous about and maybe things would of been better.

    Well thas all for now folks , thanks for reading and disregarding my mystakes

    ''Ray ,Ray ,Ray , you dint get me down Ray''
  • 8 years ago
  • Sorry folks Ive dropped a bollock on this.. Ive done my review on the general thread.. thick Brit or wat.. Drrrrrrrrrrrr!

    Feel free to read it..
  • 8 years ago
  • Ok I just about got in for this one.

    Raging Bull, what can I say apart from a true classic in my eyes.
    The De Niro/ Pesci double act, once again does not dissapoint.
    Scorsese also does his familiar bit involving Pesci and his violent behaviour.
    This time slamming some poor guys head in a car door.

    The self destructive Biography of Jake Lamotta is shown at times in graphic detail.
    One scene in particular is the paranoia concerning De Niro and His Brother .
    This is where he is susp*cious of his wife < Cathy Moriarty> cheating on him with his Brother, and decides to pay him a visit while enjoying his Dinner with his family.
    This results in La Motta twatting Pesci, and shoving his head through a glass door.
    Now imagine how horrendous this would be in front of your own children.
    Its ever likely he wants nothing to do with Lamota after that incident.

    The film is shot in black and white, but I think this is done to capture the period of the time the movie is based.
    The music at the beginning is fantastic , and just sums up the mood of the film .

    The fight scenes are hard hitting < pardon the pun>, and visualy brutal.
    De Niro is un recogniseable at the end of the picture as the once champion boxer turned stand up comedian. I think he scoffed on huge amounts of ice cream to pile on the pounds.
    Pesci is good again, as is Cathy Moriarty as the long suffering wife.
    But its De Niro for me who steals the show with his portrail of a paranoid, self destuctive Boxer Jake Lamotta.. who incidently came to a convention only an hour from where I live earlier this year.
    Sadly I missed this event due to ill health. Then again what would I have said to him, if I said something out of turn, I might have ended up through a Window.

    Managed to put it in the right thread.. sorry about that folks
  • 8 years ago
  • I watched the movie about a week ago and finally got around to posting my thoughts. I've been so busy all month finishing up school that I've barely had time to do anything at all. So here it goes, in my opinion Raging Bull is a terrific movie. I enjoyed it and thought it had some classic scenes, but as a whole found it a little overrated. Yes, DeNiros acting might be one of the best of all time, but I just didn't care for the story. Don't get me wrong Raging Bull is really good, but as far as being one of the best films ever I'd have to disagree.

    In conclusion this movie was just a contender in my book.
  • 8 years ago
  • About time people to discuss with lol , i bet may and june is a pretty busy month for a lot of members here but working familly man every months are busy months ;).

    Ok back to the film I dont know if you took the time to read my big ass post about it , if you did ty i know it's pretty hard to read with all my mystakes and my crazy writing , and if you did read it any feedback a bout it.

    I too thought it was a bit overated ,like i already said theres a couple of pretty useless scenes. And i got to disagree with you stokes Cathy Moriaty dint really do a grat job in this film has a matter of fact i thought she was quite boring to watch.

    but did any of you two ever read or seen a doc on Jake Lamotta , i'm wondering if Scorsesee change stuff about Lamottas wife
  • 8 years ago
  • No cant say I did Rocho.. But if you go to any Bar in Stoke you are always guaranteed to find a Jake Lamotta type character ready to take you on in a fight

    I just wished there were more people giving their views on this film.. like you say, others are busy, and perhaps could not get round to it.

    Bring on the Shogun Assassin reviews!!!!!
  • 8 years ago
  • =) The greatest biopic ever.

    You said in the movie section that this movie was great for the club cuz you said it had a lot of interesting things to say about it. Is that litle line the only thing you have to say about this film lol. What makes it the greatest biopic film for you , cuz I think it's far from it and I was wondering why you thought that
  • 8 years ago
  • great film acting by DeNiro is the best although i liked his acting better in casino and goodfellas but as for the film great story DeNiro and pesci are a great double act but you dont need me telling ya you can see for yourselfs Deniros acting in the film made it a classic in my eyes yer the story was great but DeNiro is the master
  • 6 years ago
  • This is considered by some people to be one of the greatest films of all time. I think that's overrating it a bit. Hell, this isn't even Scorsese's best movie. I certainly think it deserved "classic" status, and that it is an important film in cinema history, and that it is generally terrific. If I was personally making a top 20 of all time, I doubt it would end up on it. Top 50, maybe. Top 100, certainly. I know some people -- one of the guys I just watched it with a couple weeks ago, being one -- who find it "kind of boring". I must confess the first time I saw it, I didn't get what the fuss was about. However, I've grown to love this movie the more times I've seen it. I feel like it's one of those films that unfolds its nuance with repeat exposure.

    Martin Scorsese's portrayal of Jake LaMotta is probably the single greatest exploration of duality put to film. The film ruminates on a myriad of themes: fate vs choice, hero vs celebrity, fantasy vs reality, virgin/whor*, strength vs weakness, masculinity vs femininity, dark vs light, and the most obvious control vs helplessness. These themes all cohere seamlessly in LaMotta, who is played to perfection by Robert DeNiro in the most striking example of method acting I've ever seen. LaMotta is a man obsessed with control, and it incites reactions of him as pathetically amusing to just plain pathetic; this is one of the hardest to watch central characters to watch you'll see. He simultaneously acts as protagonist and antagonist yet remains consistently unlikeable. The scene during which he attacks Vicky and then Joey in a fit of susp*cious rage is one of the most shockingly brilliant I've seen.
    Nearly all of the directorial decisions (like the violence breaking up the slow pacing, and the film's being shot in B&W) are deliberate, adding immensely to its theme of duality, and in general to its intensity.

    There is a lot of symbolism in this film, but one example that really strikes me is how LaMotta draws attention to his hands. He says "I've got these little girls' hands. No matter how big I get I'm never gonna fight the best there is." This is a perfect example of the impotence of fate that LaMotta feels. When a situation arises that he has no control over he can't deal with it. Throwing a fight is the hardest thing he ever does, and one of two scenes where LaMotta cries. This is reiterated later in the movie in the when those same "little girls' hands" are pounded helplessly against a brick prison wall screaming "I'm a man...I'm not an animal", yet he is caged like just so. This scene is the other that shows him crying.

    The film's ending is vague. As LaMotta stands backstage, fat and washed up like some useless geriatric, he quotes "On The Waterfront" as a parallel to his own boxing days which he concludes "I could have been somebody...instead of a bum, which is what I am. Let's face it. It was you, Charlie". At this point, is he still blaming the people around him -- Vicky, Joey, the officials who called the match against him, even God for cursing him with his small hands -- for where he has ended up? After everything has he still failed to accept that he is the cause of his own demise? Or, is Scorsese, in drawing attention to the lightbulb over LaMotta's head and the mirror in front of his face, suggesting that LaMotta is chastising himself, and that he has finally realized his own sense of control has brought him to this place? That the quote from John's gospel "I was blind, but now I see" immediately follows might suggest the latter.

    ElRocho: Is John Torturro seriously in this? I didn't notice him at all!
  • 6 years ago
  • ElRocho: Is John Torturro seriously in this? I didn't notice him at all!

    Great review there by the way , and yes he's uncredited but he his in it , i havent watch this film , since my last review of it , but if i recall its near the begining in a restaurant scene I think ( according to imdb he's : man at table , Webster Hall), like i said he doesnt say a word , and i think we see him pretty quickly , but its him for sure , I havent seen the 2 disc edition of it , maybe theres a longer cut of the scene were he talks but doubt it it was his first screen apperance
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