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  • 11 years ago
  • Alright, so I've been posting like a madman lately, but I can't help it. The prospect of the films that await us, both in theaters and on DVD are getting me hyped beyond belief, and I am in complete eat, drink, sleep film mode. Wait, I'm like that all the time!! Oh well. So, has anyone else read the script that's online for Kill Bill? If I remember right, it's just the first draft, and he's changed it alot since. But if that first draft is any indication, Kill Bill is going to be, quite possibly, my favorite film of the year. I stopped right at the point when The Bride drives up to the House of Blue Leaves. I want to experience that scene, as I know it already has alot of buzz around it on the net, on my own. But that first 30 or so odd pages, Jesus H. Christ. I can't wait!! Is there anyone else (I know there is) out there who is with me on this one!!??? Please, come on, let's liven up these boards and get more then just Brian and Carl posting here!!!
  • 11 years ago
    • carl
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    This is not going to go down to well for me but I'm not looking forward to Kill Bill. I just thought the trailer looked like cheesey crap. I like some cheese but well, Uma Thurmon does not look like an action heroine to me at all. Maybe I'll check out the script though.
  • 11 years ago
  • Trust me, I had some reservations after seeing the trailer too. But when you think of it, most of Tarantino's films do have a bit of cheese to them. This one will be no exception. But mainly because it is a homage to all the movies he loves. Hong Kong action films, Spaghetti Westerns, Exploitation, etc. Because his sources are cheesy, he only has that place to start. But if anything, Kill Bill will be a highy stylized film. Espeically if his detailed camera plans laid out in his first script hold true for the final film. Also, on Uma Thurman not seeming like an action heroine, consider this. She held her own against the great male actors in Pulp Fiction, Tarantino has said; "I've always seen her as my actress.", and one last thing, she and Tarantino came up with the concept of the film together way back when they were making Pulp Fiction together. No matter what anyone says, I'm still excited to see this film.
  • 11 years ago
    • carl
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    KILL BILL - So much violence, says Lucy
    Lucy Liu was in Beijing to promote Charlie's Angels and she talked about Kill Bill. The following excerpt from the interview was translated into english:

    Stunner Lucy Liu is warning sensitive fans to avoid her new movie Kill Bill - because the dramatic violence will make them physically ill. The Charlie's Angels babe stars alongside Uma Thurman in cult director Quentin Tarantino's long-awaited fourth film, and predicts audiences will either flee from the cinema or vomit in their seats when they watch the extreme action - even if she thinks the violence is artistic. She says, "It's so violent. People will leave the movie theatre or get sick in the movie theatre. But there's so much violence that it becomes not numbing, but almost comedic. There's a scene where there's so much violence that the color of the film goes into black and white, so that the blood looks like oil. It's cinematic, it's art. You can take it to a different level, and show what violence is, in such a heightened manner that you don't think of it as violence anymore, you think of it as a language. If you go to Kill Bill, you know there's going to be violence - that's your option."

    Sources: unknown, thanks to "badassmovieman"
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    http://tarantino.webds.de/tarantino/news/2003/060503.htm

    I was really hoping that QT wouldn't go down the hyper violent path. If he's supposedly paying Homage to Spagetti westerns, Kung Fu, aswell as others then is the levels of vioelence a gritty film like Resivoir dogs really nessisary. I haven't seen Jackie Brown yet, but I heard the violence was toned down in that one.
  • 11 years ago
  • I was really hoping that QT wouldn't go down the hyper violent path. If he's supposedly paying Homage to Spagetti westerns, Kung Fu, aswell as others then is the levels of vioelence a gritty film like Resivoir dogs really nessisary. I haven't seen Jackie Brown yet, but I heard the violence was toned down in that one.

    Abso-f*ckin-lutely the violence is neccessary Carl! The films from the genres you mentioned that QT loves are VERY violent. He loves the mainstream hits from those sub-genres, but the ones he really loves are the ones that are, as you put it, hyper-violent. If you need some source material look at anything the Shaw Brothers produced, or most of the Spaghetti Westerns other then the ones made by Leone. Although, I think that Liu was exaggerating a bit. From the trailer you can tell it's going to be violent, and the script includes a scene where The Bride takes a table leg with nails in it, stabs it into a characters thigh, and then pulls it down, ripping her flesh. But remember, most people were outwardly shocked by Pulp Fiction's violence, and in retrospect, the way he directed and edited it, it's not AS violent as you might seem to think it is upon an initial viewing. I think we'll see some similar, tricky camera work with Kill Bill. Cause if he made everything as blatant as his script calls for, then he'll be guaranteed a NC-17. But we will be looking at a definite HARD R!!! And yes, the violence in Jackie Brown, well, there really wasn't any. Only two scenes involving shootings were explicit, and they weren't any where near the violence in PF or RD. But then, Jackie Brown is adapted from an Elmore Leonard novel, and his writing doesn't lend itself heavily to the kind of out and out cartoonish violence QT normally incorporates into his scripts. Even True Romance, which was a great film, held vast amounts of blood, shooting, and beatings. It's just the way he is. But plenty of directors go down this hyper-violent path, and depending on the mood of a film, it can be perfectly suiting. (i.e. Gangs of New York.) There's my two cents...
  • 11 years ago
    • carl
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    Well if I could stomach from dusk till dawn then I should be able to handle this.

    It's just I'm a fan of kung fu, but the really hyper violent kung fu is something I'm only familiar with through Johnothon Ross and it's all incredibally silly. I guess it can't really be as bad as Lui is making out though.
  • 11 years ago
  • Personally, when violence in movies gets too graphic, it just disgusts me. No, I have never seen a QT film, but when I watched Evil Dead, as much as I loved the movie, it still made me sick. I just feel it is unnecessary to tell the story. I understand how sometimes it is needed for effect, but even in those cases, it could be used sparingly. Too many directors just look for an excuse to cut and blow people up because they know it will sell, NOT because it will make the movie better.
  • 11 years ago
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    Personally, when violence in movies gets too graphic, it just disgusts me. No, I have never seen a QT film, but when I watched Evil Dead, as much as I loved the movie, it still made me sick. I just feel it is unnecessary to tell the story. I understand how sometimes it is needed for effect, but even in those cases, it could be used sparingly. Too many directors just look for an excuse to cut and blow people up because they know it will sell, NOT because it will make the movie better.

    See that was my problem. :).

    That was what I felt Tarantino did with From Dusk Till Dawn, and also something David Cronenberg seemed to sometimes be guilty of. I've probably just missed the meaning but Scanners was too violent for me.
  • 11 years ago
  • You're both looking at this the wrong way. He's not looking for the violence to sell the movie, it's there because, guess what, when you swing a sword at someones neck, they will lose their head. Braveheart was filled to the brim with violence, but did anyone complain? Decapitations, dismemberings, these are not foreign to the world of film. And especially not to the world of Quentin Tarantino. He's not doing it to make his movie big, it's because he holds the same view that people who like films like A Better Tommorrow 1 and 2 and "Grindhouse" pictures feel that seeing this level of violence is, well, fun. People are going to be up in arms over this film, but somehow a truly disturbing flick like House of 1000 Corpses, which was made to do nothing more then shock you, passed under the radar. At least Kill Bill will have real characters and great dialouge to supplement the violence shown on screen. It's not pointless guys. It's there because to make a film like he is trying to make it HAS to be there. And if it's silly to you, then, just don't go see it. Or if it makes you sick, dismiss it. But don't say that it's not neccessary, because there are those of us who are fans of the genres of film that QT is drawing from, and to us, and to me, it shouldn't and couldn't be any other way.
  • 11 years ago
    • carl
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    Don't get me wrong. I certainly appreciate that some films have violence for a very good reason. I am just hoping that Kill Bill is not along the lines of From Dusk Till Dawn or something. I'm not too sure about the films you mentioned, but the gorey kung fu I called silly is all of those films where a guy will punch someone and his fist will shatter. :?
  • 11 years ago
  • Yeah, I don't think you'll have to worry about fist shattering in Kill Bill there Carl. It won't get that silly. But From Dust Till Dawn was a horror film halfway through, and therefore copious amounts of violence isn't unprecedented. I still say Liu was exaggerating a bit, either that or she just has a weak stomach. The worst thing I read in the script was The House of the Blue Leaves. (Yes, I read it, I couldn't help myself.) If you are squeamish, that might be the only time you'll go from this :D , to this 8O , then finally to this :cry: . Personally, as much graphic violence as I've seen on film, that part of the script did make my face and neck turn red. Wow, IT'S GONNA BE AWESOME!!
  • 11 years ago
    • carl
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    Well I have the script on my HD ready to read. :lol:
  • 11 years ago
  • Well, dont waste time mincing words Carl! Dive right in, it's a blast! All I know is that Kill Bill is gonna be a movie in the same vain that Hardboiled and The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly is a f*cking movie. (Anyone know what movie I adapted that from?)
  • 11 years ago
  • Has there ever been a non violent flick mad by QT?
  • 11 years ago
  • Nope, and I wouldn't have it any other f*cking way!! :D
  • 11 years ago
  • So I was reading the articles on this here on LOE, on it dawned on me that this is quite possibly the worst idea a studio has ever made about a director's work since Once Upon A Time In America was butchered when it came to the U.S. Honestly, I just can't see how this will work. Having read the script, which was huge, I can honestly say this isn't the kind of movie you could walk away from halfway through. You know how sometimes you can watch a movie late at night, be dead tired, stop it, and pick it up the next day? No, I don't think it will work that way with Kill Bill. I read the script in two days out of neccessity because I had things I had to do, but if I was given the chance, I would have read it all in one sitting. It's like reading a novel that you can't put down. I can only imagine how well Tarantino could, and probably has, conveyed that same feeling with the film. So why, for the love of all that is holy did they cut it in two parts? The people who are going to see this are either film buffs, genre film buffs, or QT fans to begin with anyways. It will sell by word of mouth. Man, I hate Harvey Weinstein and I hate Mirimax. They f*cked with both of my favorite director's works. They made Scorsese cut Gangs, (no matter what he says, I KNOW he wanted it to be longer, the man is just covering for Harvey because he still "works" for Mirimax), and now, they messed with one of my most anticipated films of the year, Kill Bill. I can't believe this.
  • 11 years ago
  • yeah, this bodes not well. I think it's really tacky, I don't know why the studios don't just back away and let directors that have proven themselves have more leeway.
  • 11 years ago
  • I personally have no problem with this. I find it interesting and do look forward to seeing how it will work out.

    You guys are forgetting one thing...its Tarantino. Even if you think this is a bad idea, film 2 will make it worth the wait ;)
  • 11 years ago
  • Why the hell can't I get the hang of logging in lately? Anyways, that last one was me.
  • 11 years ago
  • Maybe you should wait and see how it turns out. It might seem like a bad idea, but I doubt Tarantino would let them do anything that would negatively affect his project to the point of dissatisfaction. Personally, I dont think the film is being cut for length. I read an interview with Tarantino and he seems to think people wouldn't be ABLE to sit through this as one movie. If even he thinks its that hard to stomach, maybe they're making the right decision.
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